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#22 ·
SVXR650 said:
This is the US of America... You can expect about 50% of sport bike riders do not know how to ride their motorcycles... They sure can go fast on a straight line... But give them corners and they target fixate and crash... ;D
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50%? Arent you generous. More like 80% of the motorcycling public lacks good skill sets. On sportbikes its like 99%. ;)
 
#23 ·
Of course, trying to explain this to a person with dirt bike background or a long cruiser bike history... Would be like explaining a 16 year old girl that most credit cards indeed have a limit, and that all credit purchases have to be eventually paid back... They just can not understand or reason it!!!

Regards, Luis...



Luis, would you mind talking about this some more, because the comment is right on the money. I do come from a dirt bike background and locking up wheels is no big deal. Obviously there is a limit, and it sucks to do this on an icy surface, but otherwise I dont much notice, or worry abotu my bike sliding.

I do believe most of the "I had to lay it down" comments come from people who locked up the rear brake , so I can see the idea.
 
#24 ·
rotors look pretty solid to me, and definitely a good price. I sent him a PM, hopefully get myself one for this coming track season.

For those that are skeptics of lightened REAR rotors, go for a spin and do an emergency stop, 90% of your braking should be done with the FRONT, if do any more then feather the rear it will lock up (this means your skidding NOT braking).

And for those referencing a MotoGP bike, they do have lightened rear rotors.....they just happen to be made out of carbon fibre not metal........oh and that goes for the front rotors too ;)

Making something lighter the stock doesn't make it bad or unsafe.

For those concerned with your rear brake rotor causing problems cuz of this please visit your local road course and take a advanced rider course.

And those getting all bent out of shape with Luis calling the SV a girls bike, chill out, he's just referring to many of those that don't ride an SV but are on 600SS or bigger. Yes it is very possible to be much faster on an SV then riders on SS bikes, rider skill plays a big part on a road course.
 
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#25 ·
RMAN said:
Actually Luis I was referring to you since you seemed to view the SV as a girl's bike, maybe I just got the wrong inference from your post.
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No offense taken... English is my second language, and my sarcasm is not all that great...

The SV is called a "Girls Bike" to the lack of Horse Power... Luis



TerrySchiavo said:
50%? Arent you generous. More like 80% of the motorcycling public lacks good skill sets. On sportbikes its like 99%. ;)
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Yeah a little generous... I give everyone the benefit of doubt... Luis




rcannon409 said:
Of course, trying to explain this to a person with dirt bike background or a long cruiser bike history... Would be like explaining a 16 year old girl that most credit cards indeed have a limit, and that all credit purchases have to be eventually paid back... They just can not understand or reason it!!!

Regards, Luis...
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Luis, would you mind talking about this some more, because the comment is right on the money. I do come from a dirt bike background and locking up wheels is no big deal. Obviously there is a limit, and it sucks to do this on an icy surface, but otherwise I dont much notice, or worry abotu my bike sliding.

I do believe most of the "I had to lay it down" comments come from people who locked up the rear brake , so I can see the idea.
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Sport Bikes rely heavily on traction... Unlike Dirt Bikes where the lack of traction is not as much of an issue...

Sport Bike Riders lean into the turns... Unlike Dirt Bike Riders where the bike leans but the rider remains upright...

Sport Bikes rely heavily in front brakes... Unlike Dirt Bikes where the rear brake gets used all the time...

Rear Brakes mid corner on a sport bike, is asking to lock the rear wheel followed shortly by an exceptional highside... Truly memorable way to total a motorcycle!!!

I do believe every "I had to lay it down..." To be an "I am an unskilled rider that panic and was unable react appropriately" ;D ...hehehe

To be a better Sport Bike Rider remember to do the opposite of Dirt Bike common knowledge... Luis




PS: Cruisers are like mopeds to hop from bar to bar... ;D ...hehehe
 
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#29 ·
Flat track is a great way to sharpen drifting on asphalt skill...

However, you do not see top level racers locking the rear wheel around corners...

Luis
 
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Thanks for the explanation. I had a highside on my xs 11 when I was 16 and avoided having another for 30 years. What a horrible experience. The police. Said I flew 65 feet and landed on my head. I suppose being 16 was my defense as that head was brand new, never used.

I saw a dashcam video today where one of the guys I work with rolled a ford van on a ice covered road. The back of his van slide sideways, found the one dry spot on the road, and caught traction. I think this is the same idea as with the motorcycle. It was easy to see how the front immediately tried to fall into line with the sliding rear. That violent action rolled the van.
 
#31 ·
TerrySchiavo said:
50%? Arent you generous. More like 80% of the motorcycling public lacks good skill sets. On sportbikes its like 99%. ;)
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The process of aquiring a drivers licence IS lengthy and expensive in Germany and people have to ride restricted for two years if they´re under 25. While this has drawbacks (mainly young people having to decide between car or motorcycle license as they can´t afford both and they usually go for the more practical car), it also seems to have its advantages. :)

Ciao
Jan
 
#32 ·
SVXR650 said:
Flat track is a great way to sharpen drifting on asphalt skill...

However, you do not see top level racers locking the rear wheel around corners...

Luis
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You do not seem to understand. Do you really think that all MX or or flattrack is just 'locking the rear wheel around corners'?
 
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Jan Zoellner said:
The process of aquiring a drivers licence IS lengthy and expensive in Germany and people have to ride restricted for two years if they´re under 25. While this has drawbacks (mainly young people having to decide between car or motorcycle license as they can´t afford both and they usually go for the more practical car), it also seems to have its advantages. :)

Ciao
Jan
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agreed. Its far too easy to acquire a license in the US. From experience...Ive been the passenger in a "freshly licensed" driver who sideswiped 5 parked cars not paying attention. Thankfully it was pre air bag /styrofoam bumper days.
 
#35 ·
VARIABLE9 said:
You do not seem to understand. Do you really think that all MX or or flattrack is just 'locking the rear wheel around corners'?
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I understand that perfectly...

But, do you not seem to understand.... The use of front and rear brake is quite different from the average Dirt Bike Rider, to the average Sport Bike Rider...

Aggressive application of the front brake on a Dirt Bike, means: You are probably going down...

Aggressive application of the rear brake while cornering on a Sport Bike, means: You are probably going down...


NAME ONE ON ROAD, HIGH SPEED SITUATION, WHERE LOCKING UP THE REAR WHEEL IS CRUCIAL? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? :rimshot: ANYONE...?



TerrySchiavo said:
maybe he means "steering with the rear"?? :eek:
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Agreed, purposely drifting and sliding... Steering with the rear or steering with the throttle... All synonymous on my book of riding skills...


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#36 ·
So he's got two patterns...

Standard is $65
Arrowhead is $90?

Is that right?

I really wish the guy did core exchanges... I'd send both of mine if I could get em both done for the price of one arrowhead.
 
#37 ·
Luis, if you think that I do not understand then I can't help you. I have forgotten more about motorcycling than you will probably ever know. all you are doing here is stating the obvious. Too much rear brake mid corner on a sport bike? Will you crash? Ohh, I don't know that!? Help me Luis!
SVXR650 said:
I understand that perfectly...

But, do you not seem to understand.... The use of front and rear brake is quite different from the average Dirt Bike Rider, to the average Sport Bike Rider...

Aggressive application of the front brake on a Dirt Bike, means: You are probably going down...

Aggressive application of the rear brake while cornering on a Sport Bike, means: You are probably going down...


NAME ONE ON ROAD, HIGH SPEED SITUATION, WHERE LOCKING UP THE REAR WHEEL IS CRUCIAL? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? :rimshot: ANYONE...?





Agreed, purposely drifting and sliding... Steering with the rear or steering with the throttle... All synonymous on my book of riding skills...


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