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Are Shinko tires the best replacement in my case? Any other great deals on tire set to consider?

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#1 ·
Mechanic is repairing bike and wants new pads, new braided brake cable, and shinko tires. He is a really great guy, has a great reputation. But my bike was stolen so i think he is emphatic to my situation and wants to make sure I am not spending a lot of money.

I will be moving 40 minutes west of the city. More hills, sharper roads and some twists. Expressway riding those 40 minutes back to the city. And then urban and city driving around here.

Since the bike has to be repaired now regardless, I am trying to use this as a chance to upgrade and change the look and feel of my bike. Cost is some factor but I would prefer to consider everything I could be doing as I am really excited about changing this bike and getting something back that I can't wait to ride.
 
#2 ·
"Are Shinko tires the best replacement"

The answer to this question is almost always "No". How many miles are you planning to do a year? Bridgestone is running their rebate promotion now. I'd get a pair of S23's if it were me--but if you're going to be doing like 6k mi+, I may look for more of a commuter tire.

 
#4 ·
One quick tip: good tires aren't cheap, and cheap tires aren't good. You could not pay me to put a Shinko tire on any bike I owned made for the street.

You will find as many recommendations as there are tire brands. Example, I would never recommend a Bridgestone tire because I don't like them although I agree that Bridgestone makes a quality tire. Matt does so that's his go to and there's nothing wrong with that. There is a lot of personal choice and opinion involved. So, use what is said here to do some research and find what fits your budget.

For your described application I would, and do, run Michelin Pilot Road series tires. You don't have to go with the Road 6 but seriously look at a set of Road 5's. They are almost as good as the 6, they just cost little less cuz they're "last year's model". They're a dual compound tire so they handle commuting well and grip in twisties. They perform very well in wet and cold conditions as well as dry and warm ones. I've gotten 7000+ miles out of a set of Road 5's. Yes, Michelins are expensive, but they are worth it IMO.

Another solid tire is the Dunlop GPR-300. It is budget friendly road tire that performs well in all conditions and have been used as a novice or beginner track capable tire. It was developed to fill the void left when Dunlop discontinued Q3+ production (a REALLY great road/track tire for the weekend warrior) and went to the Q5 (an almost track only DOT race tire, the Q5S is only marginally better at longevity). The GPR doesn't do as well in the wet as the Pilot Road's if you're pushing it, but you shouldn't really be pushing it in the rain, right?

Again, these are just my recommendations. There are many others.
 
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#8 ·
Then maybe you should continue reading instead of showing your ignorance.
 
#6 ·
+1 Road 5. Performance in all conditions, longevity, and a bit less than the 6. Never cheap on tires!
 
#7 ·
Tires are (guess what?) like noses, everybody has his own.
I'd never ever want to have a Metzeler again on my SV, while I'd swear Bridgestone (S22) or Dunlop (GPR-300) are the best buy for your money.
But ... what I'd definitely be against, is the claim that sport touring tires do not last for long: even though I have nevr had Pirelli or Michelin, my Dunlop, Metzeler and Bridgestone all lasted me at least 10'000Km.
 
#15 ·
I'd never ever want to have a Metzeler again on my SV

I'm curious as to why that is? Did you have a slide or an off with a Metzeler on? I've been racing on their Racetecs for 9 years and I currently have their Roadtec 01 SE's on my Aprilia with satisfactory results all round.
 
#9 ·
Shinkos are alright, but they're a cheap tire and don't wear all that well. If $$ is an issue with doing all the other stuff, you can use them, but be ready to replace them in a few thousand miles. Michelin Road 5/6 are the top of the line for sport touring tires. Great wear (I got 7400 miles out of a set of 5s) and grip/handle great, but no doubt expensive. They'll pay the difference in the long run, but a big check to write when you get them. A classic case of "you get what you pay for".. ;)
 
#10 ·
My only experience is with aggressive riding and a few track days thrown in. Dunlop Q3+, Bridgestone S22 and now S23 have all served me well, but nearly any tire from the big manufacturers will suit your intended purpose. Get the best deal you can.
 
#14 ·
The S22 and 23s are great tires. Used them for several years, lots of good reviews from folks. Currently on my wifes bike.
I like how the rear measures out 170mm on the 3gen 5.0" rim which is a better size than a 160 for a 5.0" rim.
I'm currently using Michelin power gp, 180 rear, 5.5 rim on my sv. Its another great tire for aggressive riding and the gp 180 weights almost the same as a 160 s22.
Both tires will wear faster than than many sport touring tires.
 
#12 ·
I got 7400 miles out of the oem Dunlops on my SV. That is about as much as I ever got from MC tires.
Lots of times I burned a rear in more like 2000 miles. But those were liter bikes, and my right wrist can be spastic. :p
 
#13 ·
i would not ride shinkos under any conditions. if you have $0 in your bank account and need shit tires for as little as possible, the gpr300 is a better option

(dirt bike shinkos are fine btw)


as far as the rest of tire recommendations... keep in mind that all tires come with a tradeoff:
dry grip vs wet grip vs intermediate grip (choose 1)
longevity vs grip
hot temperature vs road temperature
etc.
 
#17 ·
I've had one set of Metzlers and they rode alright, but wore completely out in 1400 miles. It was way back, M1s I think they were, had them on a ZRX1200. Metzler in my part of the world seem to mainly show up with the ADV guys. There is a version of them that they seem to really like, but you almost never see Metzlers on street bikes.
My next set, I may try a pair of B-stone S23s. I haven't used Bridgestone since the BT016 days (they only lasted a few miles more than the Metzlers did 😄), but I've seen a lot of rave reviews for the the S23 lately.
 
#18 ·
I've been riding my SV with Dunlop GPR-300 since I bought the bike as that is what the previous owner had on the bike.
I can honestly say that the specific tyre on the SV is a perfect match... leans , twists and turns like a dream.
I've riding on a lot of bikes, with different setups, but the experience of this tyre with the SV650 is in a total different class.
 
#19 ·
The Dunlop RoadSmart 3s are my bike's OEM tire, and they seem alright. Depends on your riding style, I would think. I've heard not bad things about Shinko tires, these days. Though they mostly come from my Honda Shadow forum, where they probably don't get ridden that hard. But sound pretty impressive for an 'economy alternative' tire...
 
#20 ·
I've used Shinko's for awhile now w/no probs. I've read horror stories of tread separation and stuff, but in my experience they've seemed of consistent quality over the years, requiring minimal weight to balance. They'll last a good while, but the rear will develop a flat profile by around 2K miles, killing the handling. Full disclosure, I'm old and slow. YMMV
 
#21 ·
As confusing as it must be to someone asking a simple question about tires, most of the above advice is sound. The range of performance characteristics, build quality, and price on motorcycle tires is enormous. This leads to everyone, justifiably, having their own opinion on what is “best.”

“Best” is a moving target depending on what tire characteristics a rider values most. Whatever tire delivers the performance a rider prefers at an acceptable wear rate and an agreeable price will represent excellent value for that rider. This makes it difficult to provide truly objective tire recommendations without fully knowing a particular rider’s priorities and expectations.

I’m going to guess, possibly unfairly, if the OP is considering Shinko tires, he may be an average, recreational rider that just wants to have some fun on his bike now and again. He probably isn’t a die-hard, long-distance touring enthusiast. More likely, he mostly rides around on the streets but would gladly seize an opportunity to take a spirited run through the twisties, just for fun. That description fits a lot of us...our Walter Mitty ambitions aside.

Although I am usually one who will try something different or outside the realm of “popular wisdom,” tires on a motorcycle have such a huge impact on both performance and safety that I would stick with one of the proven, major brands. For me, there is just not enough price differential between the cheapest Chinese tires and something moderately priced but significantly better. This opinion comes from a rider of 60 years living on social security and a modest pension, so no money to burn here.

If funds are really tight, I’d second the motion to step up to the Dunlop GP-300 from any Chinese tire. While not the latest or greatest technology, I would trust them to get you down the road safely until you could afford something better. Really a minimal cost delta to upgrade to these.

Should you decide to go with Shinko tires despite considerable advice to the contrary, be aware that, like most tire manufacturers, Shinko makes a bunch of different tire models. You will likely find a wide range of performance characteristics, build quality, tread wear, and price within Shinko's line. Make sure you do some research and select wisely. When you determine the “best” offering from their line for your purposes, do compare the cost to the GP-300; you may be surprised at how little it costs to move up.

FWIW, I purchased my SV650 with a new GP-300 on the rear and an 1100 miles Dunlop Roadsmart 3 on the front. The GP-300 did not seem to compromise ride or handling in any significant way. I have since upgraded to matched, Dunlop Roadsmart IV tires in anticipation of upgrading my suspension. (This old, previously Ducati rider finds these upgrades the only necessities to make me really happy with the SV).

Note that a higher performing tire than the GP-300 could also represent excellent value for your purposes. Longer tread wear, better cornering grip, better wet grip, etc. are all available for more money up front. Some of these long wearing but higher performing tires may even provide a similar cost per mile despite their higher initial price. However, I understand well how that doesn’t matter if you simply don’t currently have the budget for them.

Beyond the above thoughts which I believe to be empirical, any specific tire recommendations I provide will be subjective (like everyone else), even if based on significant experience.

The Michelin Road tires seem to have a universal, positive acceptance. Good performance, reliable build quality, and outstanding wear. But they are REALLY expensive so perhaps not the best value when price is a major concern.

For many years I did not have particularly positive experiences with Dunlop motorcycle tires. This has changed completely since they were bought out by Sumitomo Rubber. Their plant in Japan is state of the art and the Roadsmart 3 and Roadsmart IV are built there. I like these tires in the sport touring class because they provide that balance of grip, wear, and cost that represents value for my needs.

The Dunlop Roadsmart 3 can be found for roughly $80 more a pair than the GP-300 and is a significant upgrade. This might be a sweet spot between cost constraints and performance, if the budget permits.

The Dunlop Roadsmart IV is claimed to deliver 23% more tread wear than the Roadsmart 3 but also improved wet and dry grip. IMO that puts the Roadsmart IV up in the class with the Michelin Road, but at a lower cost. However, even though the Roadsmart IV’s cost per mile could be very competitive, at somewhere around $160 more per pair than the GP-300, it’s probably not the right choice for the OP.

Final thought: I’ve never been loaded with dough, but I’ve never been sorry I bought the best tires I could afford for either my cars or motorcycles.
 
#24 ·
Only...Shinko's aren't Chinese. They're Korean. I wouldn't go so far to say they're 'cheap garbage'. It would be more like their performance today would be akin to a premium tire of five to seven years ago. Not all that impressive compared to what we can get today, but I would happily ride a tire made to that standard if I had to. I mean, take that description of the RoadSmart 4s and Michelin Road 5s compared to the RoadSmart3. I can't really imagine ever wanting a tire beyond what the RoadSmart 3 can provide. Of all the weaknesses of my bike? I don't count those tires among them.

Though as much as I could defend the Shinkos (Didn't the OP say his mechanic told him to buy them?), they do NOT list the SV650 on the fitment list at their website. So they are dead to me now. :LOL:
 
#25 ·
Over the years I've been a big fan of the Michelin Pilot Road series. Great tires. But they have gotten really pricey lately, so based on this review:


I just installed a set of the Dunlop Road Smart IV's on the Tracer.
 
#28 ·
I just bought a Rabaconda, ( Rabaconda USA ) used it to mount the Dunlops. Pretty slick tool, if expensive, but if you go through a lot of tires it will pay for itself
Have you done any older tire removals with it? I've been doing all my own with levers and swearing for the last several years. I've gotten pretty good at it, and I don't have issues getting new tires spooned on. What I have problems with are removing old tires... Done a few 10 year old tires, a set of 20 year old tires, and even a 30 year old tire set in the last few years. It absolutely sucks trying to get those old hockey pucks off of the rims.

The Rabaconda looks like a nice intermediate between levers and a full blown machine. But if it's still a huge headache to remove old tires, I may hold out and just buy a full-blown tire changer at some point.
 
#36 ·
Hello everyone, I live in Australia at the end of five kilometers of dirt loose gravel road with kangaroos, deer, echidnas, sheep, an occasional cow etc, and all sorts of other obstacles. This means every time I go for a ride I have 10 kilometers of these environmental dangers to encounter. I put a set of shinko 705s on my series 2 ABS sv650.
They are a dirt/Road tyre... adventure style of rubber. Sure, they don't give the performance of a road tyre but they are exactly what I need when I get into the dangerous places.
So far very happy with them.
Oh, I did need to cut the little plastic flap off the back of the abs pump box near the back wheel as the higher profile of the tyres meant that the back wheel touched and scraped it over big bumps. One advantage of the taller profile though is that now the speedo is exact. : - )
 
#37 ·
^^^^ this guy knows "buy once cry once"
also factor in the cost of installing multiple sets of tires if going for the higher wear cheaper options (unless you own a tire machine...)
I just bought a Rabaconda, ( Rabaconda USA ) used it to mount the Dunlops. Pretty slick tool, if expensive, but if you go through a lot of tires it will pay for itself
So you like that Rabaconda tire tool? I was wonder about that how good or bad it is...wouldnt mind spend buck on it but wanna make sure its not some harbor frieght style tool