[AJDoubleU]

What is up with Daytona Superbike, or whatever its called? I can see where they let the Japanese inline-4's and the Ducati 848 race eachother. Thats pretty equal competition, as seen in last years Formula Extreme. But how are they letting the Buell 1125R and Aprillia RSV race in the same class? They are both liquid cooled twins like the Duc, but with huge displacement advantages. Does DMG want an American manufacturer to win that bad? Or are they just giving Buell and Aprillia a handicap? And I believe even the GSX-R 750 is allowed to race in this series.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/May/080526a.htm

I understand the added weight required for the extra displacement, but will it be enough for the smaller bikes to even out the playing field?

It might be exciting, if they have gotten the weight/horsepower limits right. Especially to get all those bikes on the track at the same time, running close lap times.

But we will just have to see...

 

[VTWINPOWER]

They make sure it's pretty equal with the weight/HP ratio.C'mon man the Buell is powerful but still gets eaten up by 600s.


model hp torque 1/4 mile
gsxr 750 127 58 10.3

duc 848 134 70 10.4

rsv 1000 113.5 63.5 10.95

1125r 129.1 73.9 10.61

sv1000s 111.2 70.7 10.95

all 600cc I4 and the 675 have around 103 to 109 Hp w/ 1/4 mile times of 10.35 to 10.78

 

[ROADRCR]

the Duc is a 1198...why wouldnt a 1125 be allowed or a 1000 RSV. wait til the KTM comes out.

 

[benprobst]

the Duc is a 1198...why wouldnt a 1125 be allowed or a 1000 RSV. wait til the KTM comes out.

The Ducati is an 848. The 750 will not be allowed, and the 1125 and RSV will be overmatched by the 600's at nearly all tracks. So that shouldnt be a problem. The KTM will get stomped by the japanese bikes on all fronts, so I dont think anyone is too worried about it.

 

[z-man]

I used to have a Duc 998 which was comparable to the RSV, I would get eaten up on it by 600's everywhere but the straights where it was pretty even. I also had R cams and the bike was making 135hp. It could be argued that you could potentially get 150hp out of a RSV but again they were getting 145hp out of a formula extreme bike and the RSV is much heavier. I think it will be interesting.

I'm disappointed about the changes they made for MotoST, the lightweight class is combined with the old middleweight class. The SV we are racing in the series makes 73hp, the paul smarts can make a bunch more hp same with the Buells.

 

[Bellicose42]

I think most of them will fit in fairly well, the 848 should be up there with the I4's. Buell has been racing the 1125r in 2 classes up here in the Canadian Superbike series and Canadian thunder as well as the Moto-ST series in the states last year so there is the experience out there to get a good bike. And since they don't have to worry about the HP limits like in Moto-ST they should be able to push a little more out of them.

Here's some comparative Qualifing times from the Mosport round last year
Thunder~Moto-ST, Pro 600 ~ Superstock,

(The 3 600's at the top are Factory teams.)

GSX-R600 1:23.130 (Pro 600)
YZF-R6 1:23.208 (Pro 600)
ZX-6R 1:23.250 (Pro 600)
Duc 848 1:25.207 (Thunder)
Buell 1125r 1:25.334 (Pro Superbike)
Tri 675 1:25.354 (Pro 600)
Buell 1125r 1:26.045 (Thunder)
CBR-600rr 1:27.933 (Pro 600)
BMW HP2 1:27.663 (Thunder)
KTM Superduke-R 1:28.155 (Thunder)
and for comparison:
SV-650s 1:32.944 (SV Cup)

Now the minimum weight might change things as well:
(http://www.amasuperbike.com/assets/RR_Rules_2009.pdf)
4cyl 365Lbs
3cyl 375Lbs
2cyl 385Lbs

 

[sidepipe79]

Now i can see the comparisions that you are all making. But from experiance, the 1125R will hold its own against the 600s. In the ASRA and CCS series around here, our 1125R runs with the 1000s. Now this is not as strictly monitored when it comes to mods but our 1125R has won quite a few races.

We will be at Daytona racing in the MOTO GT and the Superbike races on an 1125R. I guess we will not know how the competition pans out until March 6th.

 

[motodog650]

We will be at Daytona racing in the MOTO GT and the Superbike races on an 1125R. I guess we will not know how the competition pans out until March 6th.

Cool. Are you riding or on the crew ? Team name ? Riders names ? Just wondering as I"ll be keeping up with the proceedings via the web and the tv...

 

[the Shifty Jesus]

I just can't make myself watch anymore. I'm interested to see what changes they have made will effect NASCAR I mean Daytona Superbike, but I'm pretty on the fence.

 

[benprobst]

I just can't make myself watch anymore. I'm interested to see what changes they have made will effect NASCAR I mean Daytona Superbike, but I'm pretty on the fence.

What do you not like about the new class?

 

[sidepipe79]

I am on the crew of James Gang/Hoban Brothers racing for the Moto GT series. I can tell you, it has been a long month trying to build two 1125Rs from the ground up to race.

At the Daytona 200 I will in the pits for Shawn Higbee.

 

[motosliders]

I am on the crew of James Gang/Hoban Brothers racing for the Moto GT series. I can tell you, it has been a long month trying to build two 1125Rs from the ground up to race.

At the Daytona 200 I will in the pits for Shawn Higbee.

Paul James? Great guy! It's great to see what people like him and Kevin Hanson have done getting their own teams together,

 

[sidepipe79]

Paul James? Great guy! It's great to see what people like him and Kevin Hanson have done getting their own teams together,

Definitely a great guy. It has been nothing but a pleasure to work with him. We hav been lucky enough to accomplish what we have. This will be a great year on the new bikes.

He has donated the entire XB front suspension off of his sprint bike to my SV.

 

[z-man]

I'll be there racing on the #12 bike in the Moto-GT2 on the East Coast Supertwins bike, my real name is David Zylberberg, I'll be riding with Gary Cain on an SV650.