I thought you literally meant dealerships tipping over the pitbikes by accident..
what about pitbikes being dropped by dealerships?
Well I have a few friends that work at dealerships and I found out thru the grapevine. Suzuki is pulling all the crf 50s, 70s, etc. After the 10th it will be illegal to sell them. Apparently there is lead in the motor which makes it illegal to sell for children. I suppose most of the other brands will be following to. My friends tell me you wont be able to order parts or anything thru the dealers anymore. I thought they were joking until I saw one of my friends buy 3 honda 70s yesterday. Two others bought 50s. I hope nobody wants pitbikes anymore. I just ordered 10 tubes for mine. Better hurry up and buy parts everyone.
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That wouldn't surprise me. Honda told the dealership if they have not sold them then they are out. Honda will not be buying back any of them so the dealership will be taking a loss.
This is one of those threads that could go either way.Apparently there is lead in the motor which makes it illegal to sell for children.
It's either:
A) Supposed to be funny
or....
B) Yet another good indicator of what "people in the know" don't know.
When did Suzuki start selling CRFs by the way?Suzuki is pulling all the crf 50s, 70s, etc.
???
And lastly, my SV had lead in the battery. What are they going to do about that?
Think of the children!!
;D
So, its okay to sell them for children when they pump carcinogens out of the tailpipe, but not if there is lead, in the motor, most likely in an area the child will never access?
C'mon...
edit; WAIT! Think about this...they're called "pitbikes" because grown-ups(a.k.a. adults) ride them in the pits. So, even if its illegal to sell them children, they can still sell them for adults.
You know...its illegal to sell cigarettes or alcohol to children, but they still sell them to folks of legal age...
I call B.S.
C'mon...
edit; WAIT! Think about this...they're called "pitbikes" because grown-ups(a.k.a. adults) ride them in the pits. So, even if its illegal to sell them children, they can still sell them for adults.
You know...its illegal to sell cigarettes or alcohol to children, but they still sell them to folks of legal age...
I call B.S.
Ok I got a little mixed up when writing this. Honda is pulling there crfs and suzuki is pulling there drzS. There I fixed it. I don't know if it is happening everywhere but here in Oklahoma it is. Honda sent a notification to the dealership telling them to pull them off the floor by the 10th if they have not sold.
January 23, 2009
Dear Honda Dealer:
On August 14, 2008, Congress enacted the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA or Act). The Act was primarily in reaction to the recent influx of lead-tainted toys that resulted in numerous recalls and significant public outcry for more stringent government standards.
The CPSIA requires manufacturers of “Children’s Products,” defined as those products designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger, to meet increasingly stringent lead paint and lead content standards and to certify, based on third party testing, that the products meet the Act’s requirements. Products that fail to comply with the prescribed lead limits are considered a “banned hazardous substance” and cannot be sold or offered for sale. Violation of the prescribed limits (initial limits detailed below) can result in severe civil and criminal penalties.
Ban of lead in paint over 600ppm (parts per million)
Honda’s paint contains little or no lead and easily complies with even the most stringent requirement.
Ban of lead in substrate material over 600ppm
Honda is still in process of completing tests on all of the materials used in our small ATV’s and motorcycles; however, some alloy materials commonly used to manufacture motor vehicles may inherently contain levels of lead that are (or ultimately will be) above the current, or future more aggressive, limits set forth in the Act.
Honda and other members of the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which face the same issues as Honda, are actively working to exempt the alloy parts for small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Act. The lead embedded in the alloys used in these products is not transferred through typical use of these products. Our shared belief is that Congress never intended the lead content provisions of the Act, which originally were aimed at toys that can be mouthed by children, to be applicable to small ATVs and motorcycles.
Even more concerning is that the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the agency charged with enforcing the Act, recently ruled that Congress intended the lead content regulations to be retroactive. This means that, regardless of its date of manufacture or the fact that it complied with all applicable laws and regulations at the date of manufacture, any children’s product manufactured with even a single component part containing lead in excess of the limits will no longer be legal for sale as of February 10, 2009. The economic impact of the CPSC’s ruling will be substantial for both dealers and manufacturers in an already weakened economy.
What all of this means to you is that – without Congressional or CPSC action -- you will not be able to sell new or used TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F, or CRF 80F models after February 10, 2009, stranding your investment in your new and used inventory. In fact, under the terms of the Act you cannot even display these models on your showroom floor, distribute brochures, or advertise them on your website.
As Honda and others continue to work towards a satisfactory resolution to this dilemma, we urge you to support an industry effort by contacting your Congressional delegation and Senators and urging them to ensure that small motorcycles and ATVs are exempted from the lead-content provisions of the Act. Copies of letters already sent by the MIC and SVIA to various members of Congress are attached for your reference.
We ask for your patience and understanding as we work through this unfortunate process together. You may continue to sell these models lawfully and with all existing Honda retail support through February 9th, 2009. We will advise you if the industry is able to obtain an exemption from the lead content regulation. In the interim, we will keep you posted on developments and business actions necessary from February 10th forward to comply with this Act.
With best regards,
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Ray Blank
Senior Vice-President
Motorcycle Division
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/28january09_salesban.htm
Dear Honda Dealer:
On August 14, 2008, Congress enacted the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA or Act). The Act was primarily in reaction to the recent influx of lead-tainted toys that resulted in numerous recalls and significant public outcry for more stringent government standards.
The CPSIA requires manufacturers of “Children’s Products,” defined as those products designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger, to meet increasingly stringent lead paint and lead content standards and to certify, based on third party testing, that the products meet the Act’s requirements. Products that fail to comply with the prescribed lead limits are considered a “banned hazardous substance” and cannot be sold or offered for sale. Violation of the prescribed limits (initial limits detailed below) can result in severe civil and criminal penalties.
Ban of lead in paint over 600ppm (parts per million)
Honda’s paint contains little or no lead and easily complies with even the most stringent requirement.
Ban of lead in substrate material over 600ppm
Honda is still in process of completing tests on all of the materials used in our small ATV’s and motorcycles; however, some alloy materials commonly used to manufacture motor vehicles may inherently contain levels of lead that are (or ultimately will be) above the current, or future more aggressive, limits set forth in the Act.
Honda and other members of the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which face the same issues as Honda, are actively working to exempt the alloy parts for small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Act. The lead embedded in the alloys used in these products is not transferred through typical use of these products. Our shared belief is that Congress never intended the lead content provisions of the Act, which originally were aimed at toys that can be mouthed by children, to be applicable to small ATVs and motorcycles.
Even more concerning is that the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the agency charged with enforcing the Act, recently ruled that Congress intended the lead content regulations to be retroactive. This means that, regardless of its date of manufacture or the fact that it complied with all applicable laws and regulations at the date of manufacture, any children’s product manufactured with even a single component part containing lead in excess of the limits will no longer be legal for sale as of February 10, 2009. The economic impact of the CPSC’s ruling will be substantial for both dealers and manufacturers in an already weakened economy.
What all of this means to you is that – without Congressional or CPSC action -- you will not be able to sell new or used TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F, or CRF 80F models after February 10, 2009, stranding your investment in your new and used inventory. In fact, under the terms of the Act you cannot even display these models on your showroom floor, distribute brochures, or advertise them on your website.
As Honda and others continue to work towards a satisfactory resolution to this dilemma, we urge you to support an industry effort by contacting your Congressional delegation and Senators and urging them to ensure that small motorcycles and ATVs are exempted from the lead-content provisions of the Act. Copies of letters already sent by the MIC and SVIA to various members of Congress are attached for your reference.
We ask for your patience and understanding as we work through this unfortunate process together. You may continue to sell these models lawfully and with all existing Honda retail support through February 9th, 2009. We will advise you if the industry is able to obtain an exemption from the lead content regulation. In the interim, we will keep you posted on developments and business actions necessary from February 10th forward to comply with this Act.
With best regards,
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Ray Blank
Senior Vice-President
Motorcycle Division
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/28january09_salesban.htm
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/669/2451/Motorcycle-Article/ATV-and-Dirt-Bike-Lead-Ban-Exemption.aspx
Manufacturers, importers, distributors, and retailers should also be aware that CPSC will:
- Accept a manufacturer’s determination that a lead-containing part on their product is inaccessible to a child and not subject to the new lead limits, if it is consistent with the Commission’s proposed guidance or is based on a reasonable reading of the inaccessibility requirement.
just tell the kids not to knaw on the engine! i mean what is next high capacity assault rifles and handguns....oh wait
I don't understand- why cant' they just put a big sticker on the frame that says, "not for use by children under the age of 12"? A 11y/o kid could theoretically legally ride a crf150 around the backyard and dealers can legally sell it because it is intended for adults but .... this is silly. I'm not saying that lead paint laws are silly, just that an adult should be able to buy a CRF 80F and do with it as he/she pleases.
How many kids that age are gonna walk in and either pay cash or sign the note???
We got the news too. A lot of the manufacturers have HUGE rebates on the bikes (up to $800!), so if you're looking for one, now's the time. However, Yamaha did say they would buy the bikes back if they are not allowed to be sold by the dealer.That wouldn't surprise me. Honda told the dealership if they have not sold them then they are out. Honda will not be buying back any of them so the dealership will be taking a loss.
Ya, I think the whole thing is dumb and hopefully they can figure out an exemption. I guess the way the law is worded and such they fall into it. Personally I think if your kid is licking or trying to eat the motor you probably have bigger problems and they don't need a dirtbike.
I wondered why my local dealer was giving these away... one free with every bike purchase. Now I know.
This is so stupid. I work for an import / export logistics company, and along with 10+2 we covered the new CPSC rules.
All it requires is for the manufactures do is to have a statement of origin from a supplier for the lead, extra paperwork. Then they just have to submit a design or bike to the CPSC to show that no kid is going to pull the motor and eat it.
Someone gave the Bike Manufactures some advice, or they read a bad translation of the new rules.
Idiots.
All it requires is for the manufactures do is to have a statement of origin from a supplier for the lead, extra paperwork. Then they just have to submit a design or bike to the CPSC to show that no kid is going to pull the motor and eat it.
Someone gave the Bike Manufactures some advice, or they read a bad translation of the new rules.
Idiots.
Anyone have more info on this? The law was supposed to be passed Feb 10.
My dealer pulled all smaller bikes from their website. Is the law still being debated or is that the final say?
My dealer pulled all smaller bikes from their website. Is the law still being debated or is that the final say?
it's done and over with. it's law. I answered you on the other thread you posted in as well.
I guess I am still in denial... :'(it's done and over with. it's law. I answered you on the other thread you posted in as well.
It's a good thing my son has his 50 and I got my nephew a DRZ70 last Spring. That way I can buy the 70 off my brother in law in 2 years and my nephew will be old enough to ride something we can buy.
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