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Hopefully Suzuki will bring back the Liter Twin back. Any ideas into what it will be like? I talked to a Suzi dealer today and they said that likely it will come back in a different bike with a different name but it will be a Liter Twin. I hope it will be something like the RC51 ;D . What are yalls thoughts on it coming back?
 

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Suzuki has the stupidest product development/marketing people in the motorcycle industry. Whatever they do, it will just miss the market. The Gixxers are the latest version of a good guess (race replicas) that they made in the late 70s. The SV is a complete fluke IMHO.
 

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Suzuki has the stupidest product development/marketing people in the motorcycle industry. Whatever they do, it will just miss the market. The Gixxers are the latest version of a good guess (race replicas) that they made in the late 70s. The SV is a complete fluke IMHO.
Interesting point of view. Do you think there's a company out there who's doing it better?

I think Triumph has intro'd some great bikes in the last decade.
 

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how much difference is there between the different i4 's that the motorcycle companies are making? the only thing i can really go by is race results, i watched a few last summer ,suzuki had the 1L class wrapped up and yamaha the ss 600's,but for all i know it's probabely just rider talent,it was such total domination in their respective classes it almost looked like a noncompete agreement if race results sell bikes suzuki sells 1000's and yamaha sells 600's.Well i've also heard that suzuki has a better traction control system so they can make more speed into the straights with their 1000's and yamahas weight dist is more front end for cornering so their 600's win the corners,does any of this really make a bit of difference. i think if they made a purpose built sv 800, not a bore out,an engine ment to be an 800 with no fraility issues,in a small light 650 sized package, economical ,so the people who are concerned with performance could still do the performance upgrades,maybe make it so gixxer parts bolt right on. that might be a good marketing strategy
 

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How much of a difference is there between the different inline fours that the motorcycle companies are making? The only thing I can really go by are race results. I watched a few last summer. Suzuki had the 1L class wrapped up and Yamaha, the ss 600s. For all I know, it's probably just rider talent. It was such total domination in their respective classes that it almost looked like the teams had a non compete agreement. If race results sell bikes, Suzuki sells 1000's and yamaha sells 600's. I've also heard that Suzuki has a better traction control system so they can make more speed into the straights with their 1000s. Yamaha's weight distribution is balanced more towards the front end for cornering so their 600's win in the corners.

Does any of this really make a bit of difference?

I think a good marketing strategy would be to build something on the light and nimble sv650 chassis but with a more purpose built, stout, and economical motor. Preferably with interchangeable parts from it's bigger, race-bred brother, the GSX-R.
Sorry, I was super bored and almost got a headache reading your post ;D
 

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oops i thought it was a bit off point,but then again this seems like sort of a pointless thread anyway:) it's probabely a tumor.
 

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anyone know why they didn't stick the TL engine in the sv1000 to begin with? I've never ridden one, but I've heard that those engines are a gem, surrounded by a turd of a bike.
 

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It seems to me that for marketplace twin sportbike success to occur, Suzuki would need to bring power levels up to that of the new Ducati 1198 (or at the very least, KTM's RC8 ) and give the bike an expensive handling package that would significantly increase the price of the bike to more than what current I-4 SS bikes cost. The problem is that Ducati and other Euro bike manufacturers have the cachet needed to stimulate consumers to purchase their products at a much higher price points vs. the Japanese I-4 class. Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to see Suzuki make a Ducati 1198 competitor at several grand less than the Ducati costs. But I would be very surprised if Suzuki brought another liter + twin to the market. Especially given the world economic woes. Considering the latter, it's conceivable that if Suzuki is developing a new twin, they may have decided to pull the plug. I hope I am wrong because nothing stirs my soul like a twin.
 

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I don't know what they are affraid of, they already make motorcycles with ridiculous HP. Boost that v-twin, the TLR was much more fun than the SV.
 

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You are probably right, a gladius 1000. Would you guys like that better than the 650? I would, I think it would be a little more masculine.
 

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anyone know why they didn't stick the TL engine in the sv1000 to begin with? I've never ridden one, but I've heard that those engines are a gem, surrounded by a turd of a bike.
The bike wasn't a turd actually, it just had a few reviews and some riders had a couple accidents on it, so it got the name and it stuck. It wasn't a bad bike, and IMO the whole problem was overblown so the sales sucked.
 

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The problem with the TL motor is reliability. Few of them last to 40k miles. Add to that the fact that it doesn't make near the power of a Ducati and you now find yourself with a pointless race motor.

It is very obvious that in the sport-bike realm, Suzuki has chosen the inline 4 as its format. Besides IIRC, no japanese manufacturer makes a v-twin sportbike any longer. There just isn't the demand for them anymore. The thought that Suzuki will bring back a liter twin is probably way off base. The fact is, liter twins just don't sell that well in the US. Heck, you can get leftover 950/990 ktm SM's at dealerships all over the country, but is anyone buying them? No. And it isn't because those bikes aren't any fun- NO WAY!
 

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Won't happen. Maybe they can replace the GSXR 600 with a GSVR 600 (V-4) or SVR 850 (V-2) though.. that'd be nice!

Esspecially if it would look like this:
 

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Since i heard that honda can race a v5, i didn't realize odd seemingly off balence v's were possible/even raceable,so that leads me thinking a v3 750 might be an excellent motor ,narrow through the frame back by the rider, heavier towards the front wheel ,stock dimensions(250 per cylinder) you've got the v look,just for aesthetics and any physical advantage of the v arrangement with out going to larger less revvy displacements,ie 375 or 500 cc per cylinder. hope i'm not causing any head aches;)
 
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