[MPage18]

I was wondering if anybody has ever put the sv 1000 rear wheel on 650? ....if so how hard is it...and what is needed?

 

[Spierings]

http://forum.svrider.com/showthread.php?t=78545
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You need to machine the wheel, sprocket carier and caliper hanger. You also need some custom spacers.

 

[Chilltake]

I did it. Required the wheel to be machined, had custom spacers made. Hub carrier was machined and brake carrier also.

It costed me around 250€ in machining costs. But end result looks nice. I'd post pics but photobucket has site maintenance

 

[Chilltake]

Here is my photobucket page with pics of the SV1000/GSXR750 wheel mounted:

http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t276/chilltake/2008-03-19 - Rear wheel mounted/

 

[Thermass]

Why? One of the main reasons I loved my 650 is that it was so flickable. Switchbacks are effortless because of how light bike is, the fact there was no steering damper, and the narrow rear tire. If you put a wider tire on there you are going to take some of that flickability away, and why? Because it looks better, screw that. I want the best feeling bike possible. If that means it looks better in the process then that is great. But I would never decrease performance because it looks better.

 

[Spierings]

Why? One of the main reasons I loved my 650 is that it was so flickable. Switchbacks are effortless because of how light bike is, the fact there was no steering damper, and the narrow rear tire. If you put a wider tire on there you are going to take some of that flickability away, and why? Because it looks better, screw that. I want the best feeling bike possible. If that means it looks better in the process then that is great. But I would never decrease performance because it looks better.

Have you ever driven a sv650 with a 180 tyre??

The wheels are also lighter and that increase the performance of the bike.
gsxr k6 600 wheel + tyre are 0.8kg lighter than the heavy stock wheel.

 

[Thermass]

No, I have not. But I own a R1 with a stock 190 on it, and it is harder to set into the turns. I owned both my 650 and R1 at the same time for a while, and sometimes rode them on the same day on the same roads.

Mounting a good set of Michelins on the SV provides enough grip to handle the ~75 HP and still have as much of an ablility to set it into the turns as the engineers intended.

 

[Spierings]

No, I have not. But I own a R1 with a stock 190 on it, and it is harder to set into the turns. I owned both my 650 and R1 at the same time for a while, and sometimes rode them on the same day on the same roads.

Mounting a good set of Michelins on the SV provides enough grip to handle the ~75 HP and still have as much of an ablility to set it into the turns as the engineers intended.

Those are both really differents bikes.
When you have a 180 on a sv and a good suspension, the turn in is the same as with the stock wheel. Maybe better

 

[Thermass]

Those are both really differents bikes.
When you have a 180 on a sv and a good suspension, the turn in is the same as with the stock wheel. Maybe better

That is very true and I am sure the steering damper on the R1 had a lot to do with how the bike felt like it was going into the corner. But you are still increasing the radius of the tire. although I am not quite sure how to make that last sentence twist in my favor.

I am very aware that when you upgrade to a 240 you loose a ton of lean angle because the profile at the edge of the tire is almost parallel with the axle. It seems as if they would be able to fix this problem for smaller sized tires. I noticed in the picture that you have about a half inch of the right side of your rear that has never seen pavement. what does the front look like?

 

[badsv]

Hey Chilltake what guages do you have and how did you mount them

 

[Chilltake]

Those are both really differents bikes.
When you have a 180 on a sv and a good suspension, the turn in is the same as with the stock wheel. Maybe better

That is very true and I am sure the steering damper on the R1 had a lot to do with how the bike felt like it was going into the corner. But you are still increasing the radius of the tire. although I am not quite sure how to make that last sentence twist in my favor.

I am very aware that when you upgrade to a 240 you loose a ton of lean angle because the profile at the edge of the tire is almost parallel with the axle. It seems as if they would be able to fix this problem for smaller sized tires. I noticed in the picture that you have about a half inch of the right side of your rear that has never seen pavement. what does the front look like?

You can't compare an SV to a R1 since they are 2 very different bikes. The SV is nimble by nature, the 180 tire does NOT change that!! The 180 is not that much wider then the 160. The tire is just better 'set' against a 120/70 up front. Together, the tires have tons of grip and you can go to full lean angle (knee scrubbing in the corners that is). Judging from the pic Spierings posted, the tire looks new and practically unridden. It's not chicken striping.

Any way, I am very happy with my 180 conversion and lost 0 in the bikes nimbleness. I am still able to throw it around corners faster then most bikes.

About the R1, it's a totally different bike! It also has a 190 tire and it's set up way way different. If you have never driven an SV with a 180 before, then please don't judge till you have tried! ;D

Hey Chilltake what guages do you have and how did you mount them

Stockers ... Didn't do any mods on it. I do however have a tomtom Rider mounted on my top triple if that's what you mean.

here is perhaps a better pic of the set up (without the tomtom in):

^^^ this pic was taken while I was installing my front end

here is a different angle, I have since redid the tomtom mount to make it sturdier:

 

[Chilltake]

hehe I just noticed that you can see the GSXR 750 / SV 1000 wheel sitting in the left of that picture. This was before I had it machined to fit.

 

[Spierings]

I noticed in the picture that you have about a half inch of the right side of your rear that has never seen pavement. what does the front look like?

That pic was taken after i mounted it.
If the side off the tyre have seen the pavement, does not say anything about turn in.
With the 160 tyre i also had about 1cm and i did drive the pegs to the ground. It's depent on how the shape from the tyre is. Some other tyre's you can drive to the edge.

If you mount a 180 on your r1 and lower the front a little you also get a much better turn in.
Most people who says it's decrease the turn in have never driven a 180 on a sv.

 

[Chilltake]

:iamwithstupid:

 

[Thermass]

That pic was taken after i mounted it.
If the side off the tyre have seen the pavement, does not say anything about turn in.
With the 160 tyre i also had about 1cm and i did drive the pegs to the ground. It's depent on how the shape from the tyre is. Some other tyre's you can drive to the edge.

If you mount a 180 on your r1 and lower the front a little you also get a much better turn in.
Most people who says it's decrease the turn in have never driven a 180 on a sv.

Sorry, I switched to another topic without telling anyone, I was refering to the effective lean angle with my comment about the unused tire edge. but if you were dragging pegs it obviously does not make that much of a difference.

Every road racer out there will tell you to raise the front, and the rear. the reason you lower a car is because you want to decrease weight transfer and keep the wheels loaded equally. On a motorcycle you do not have to worry about lateral weight transfer between wheels. You use your body weight to turn a motorcycle and you can use it better the higher up you are.

 

[Spierings]

Every road racer out there will tell you to raise the front, and the rear. the reason you lower a car is because you want to decrease weight transfer and keep the wheels loaded equally. On a motorcycle you do not have to worry about lateral weight transfer between wheels. You use your body weight to turn a motorcycle and you can use it better the higher up you are.

When you lower the front (raise them in the tripples) you get the same rusult as raising the rear on a motorcycle. The angle off the front end change a little with the result off a faster turn in. It's has nothing to do about the center off gravity.