They are fine but I have no other SS lines to compare them to. The lines I will be putting on this weekend are standard banjo goodridge lines. I don't anticipate enough of a difference to be noticeable on the street. Maybe a racer who can appreciate the subtleties of differences between every single pad brand of the same type may notice. I will report back if you would like after I try the standard lines.coyote said:how do you like the super bikeline?? are they that much better then the others???
I have the two line Galfer kit on mine, works great. VERY noticeable improvement in braking performance. I also replaced my pads and rotors around the same time, but I did ride on the new pads and rotors for a bit before the change, and after it will stop and almost flip end over end if I wanted... I have no idea what the 4 lines would be for, but the three line might replace the original lines and use the coupler T that was there, but I was HAPPY to remove it (going to mount my flyscreen bracket to it and run it through the middle of my dominator lights, instead of up the sides).solidONE said:I was checking out the choices of brake line configs. they offerd @ wildhair and noticed there were 3 line and 4 line kits for the front brakes. Now..., how would the 4 line kit be configured? Wouldnt the 2 line works just as good if not better than a 4 line configuration? Seems redundant to be using 4 seperate lines for the front brakes. :dontknow:
Could be true..sure, but not in all cases.Northwind said:This can sound a bit patronising, but I reckon the reason people feel a performance improvement is down to one or more of three things- new fluid, a better bleed, or damaged/worn out hoses...
It's a very good comparison, thanks. I'm not sure how hoses prevent fade, though, since fade is usually caused by overheating parts. Interesting to read though.DougZ said:To me, that is a pretty apples to apples comparison...and of course, just my personal experience...but...enough to show me the value of SS lines vs stock lines.
In my theory, and it may just be mine...but from what I know of stock braking systems, is that the rubber lines tend to soften and then swell a bit, once the fluid gets hot. This is eliminated with the use of SS braided lines. Now, brake fade in the car sense, which I have also heard in the past, has to do more with outgassing from the pads, and corrected by changing pads, and/or giving those gasses somewhere to go, ie slotted rotors.Northwind said:It's a very good comparison, thanks. I'm not sure how hoses prevent fade, though, since fade is usually caused by overheating parts. Interesting to read though.
My post was more aimed at one of the popular posts in these threads, which is "I just replaced my 1999 SV's original lines with Galfer/HEL/etc and a set of (good pads of your choice) and what a difference! Braided lines are great!"
Or in my case, taking the old stock front end off (with 5 year old factory rubber hoses and factory brake pads), swapping a GSXR front end on, putting in some good Motul fluid, new SS lines, and Carbone Lorraine pads. Add to that, the fact that I hadn't ridden the bike in about 6 months.Northwind said:This can sound a bit patronising, but I reckon the reason people feel a performance improvement is down to one or more of three things- new fluid, a better bleed, or damaged/worn out hoses...
So what DO they do than? Other than looking sexy.andyauger said:Stainless lines are great, but they will NOT:
- improve braking effectiveness
- reduce fade
- increase braking force.
Brakes will deliver exactly the same amount of braking effectiveness and braking force with stock lines as with SS lines. Brake lines have nothing to do with fade. Everything else is placebo.
Yeah foo, you'd better RECOGNIZE! :blob8:DougZ said:I am not gonna argue with Andy....
Indeed. SS lines do not add power, and I didn't notice a better feel. What they do is last longer than OEM rubber lines (3 years of life I think) and the suffer less in high heat conditions over rubber. That's it.mrailing said:It doesn't matter what type of brake lines you have, rubber, SS, etc. You can only stop as fast as it takes the wheel to lock up. So if the rubber lines will let your front wheel lock, then SS lines won't make it any different. It might make the feel at the lever different (maybe a bit tighter), but it won't improve braking performance, just looks.
So if you were like me, and had a 2000 model with the same brake lines it shipped with, and unknown if the fluid was changed, then yes replacing the lines and fluid might help, and will give you a better feel, and most likely better stopping power.
So if it will lock up, then you aren't going to get any better braking power, maybe better control, but that's it...