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SHOCK for a First Gen: Busa, ZX, or Something Else?

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Well, finally going to and change my bike from stock. First up: suspension. Let's talk shocks, okay? I'll save the front end for another thread.

I've tried to pull together the info scattered about on svr and other places on the net. It's confusing, because a lot of the info is regarding second gens, which need a much lighter shock than the same rider on a first gen., or it's for riders lighter than me, so bear with me.

I'm 229 lbs without gear. (Maybe 240 lbs., with?) I keep saying I need to lose weight, but it hasn't happened, yet. No trackdays, although they're not out of the question. Also, no twisties anywhere nearby, although I sometimes travel in seearch of them.

My goal is to swap for a second-hand shock, for as cheap as possible, with as little cutting or fabrication as possible, and without altering the ride height or geometry. So, the short question is, is all of this possible?

My understanding is that I want to come as close as possible to the stock shock length of 338 mm eye-to-eye, and keep the diameter to about 80mm. At my weight, Penske recommends a 700 lb spring, which seems kind of stiff to me, but what do I know?

I've seen people recommend the Kawasaki ZX shocks (ZX6r (a/k/a 636), ZX10, ZX14); the diameters are around 80mm, and the lengths are 338mm for the ZX10 shock, and 340 mm for the ZX6r shock; not sure about the ZX14 shock -- anyone? I think that the real question I have about fitment concerns the placement of the reservoir. Which years for each of the ZX shocks is ideal for a first gen SV? I've seen conflicting reports on which years will fit a first gen without cutting. Are there any that would be a drop-in replacement?

Also, the ZX shocks seem too light. I've seen people write that the stock first gen SV shock is 510 lbs./in., but I've also seen it reported as 540. The ZX6r and ZX10 shocks are only 540 lbs/in., right? And the ZX14 is 543? (Hard to believe for such a big bike, but that's what I've read.) Seems much too light for me; will there be much improvement if I go with a ZX shock?

Now, the Busa shock is sprung at 700 lbs./in., so that seems more reasonable. But it's 330mm, right? That's 8mm shorter, or about 1/3 inch. Enough to matter? What if I used shorter (shorter, right?) dogbones to raise the ride height back up that 8mm? Would that screw up the handling, or am I on the right track, here?

If the Busa shock is the way to go, which year? I assume one from the first gen Busa, as I understand Suzuki made the spring even stiffer for the second gen. But will any '99-/07 shock do, or are some easier to fit? Again, I'm looking for a drop-in replacement, if possible.

I have a line on a member's Busa shock. It's a 2005 with 5,000 miles on it, in good shape. He says that the stock dogbones will work but will cause it to sit lower in the tail than factory. He also says that I would have to modify the pilot's seat mounting bracket on the left side of the bike by trimming about 1/4" off of it so that the resevoir on the shock will clear, but that there is plenty of material to do this. What do you guys think? Will this work as advertised? If I do it, should I change out the dogbones, and if so, to what size?

My other thought is to get a ZX shock that fits as a drop-in, and have it resprung (and revalved?) for my weight. I'd rather avoid the extra expense, but if it's the only way to do this, I'd consider it. About how much would that cost, and who do you recommend for this work?

Finally, please don't tell me to just buy a Penske, or an Elka, or an Ohlins. Even if I had that kind of money to spend on this, I think it would be overkill for my needs.

Thanks for reading. Look forward to the replies.
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If money is really an issue, either the Busa shock, or get a new spring and throw it on the stock shock. With the first option you'd want dogbones, and with the latter the rebound would suck.

As to that ZX-14 spring, the difference is probably due to the mounting points. If it's mounted further out on the swingarm it'll have less leverage to control, which allows it to use a smaller spring.
Thanks for the replies so far.

Is the ZX10 a better choice than other ZX shocks? Which year(s)?

Busa: Which year(s)? What do you think about cutting the seat mount?
I've got a busa on one of mine and it's ok. You will have to work witht he battery box, either drop it- I relocated the battery in the trunk. I had to grind a little bit from the bottom spring lip to get some clearance with the swingarm and I made my own dogbones to raise the rear..probably an inch or so higher than stock.
I've got a busa on one of mine and it's ok. You will have to work witht he battery box, either drop it- I relocated the battery in the trunk. I had to grind a little bit from the bottom spring lip to get some clearance with the swingarm and I made my own dogbones to raise the rear..probably an inch or so higher than stock.
What year Busa shock? The guy I'm dealing with on a secondhand Busa shock had an entirely different install scenario. I wonder why?

Why did you go up one inch with the dogbones? Did you go higher than stock in the end, or keep the bike at stock height? I had assumed since the Busa shock is 8mm shorter than stock, a 1/2 rising dogbone would do the trick, but I now realize that I'm not accounting for how the linkeage works; i.e., that 8mm difference in shock length may not necessarly translate to an 8mm decrease in ride height.
I don't remember the year but is't definitely an early one, maybe 01-02.. I've had it on there a long time so I'm not really sure. I raised mine above stock because I like my bikes tall.
Rich Desmond is pretty adamant that the Busa shock is a bad idea, because the shorter shock, even with raising links, won't be progressive enough. (Not that I don't respect Rich's opinions, but if anyone here has the Busa shock on a first gen and thinks differently, I'd be interested in hearing from you.)

This got me to thinking that maybe I should try a stock ZX shock, and if I don't like it, pull it out and have it resprung and revalved to suit me. Keeps my investment low and my options open.

Opinions?
i'm looking at getting a Busa shock and am interested in hearing from anyone who has used one before. What i'm not sure about though is if its spring will work w/ my weight. 150 lb and no pillion.

thanks
i'm looking at getting a Busa shock and am interested in hearing from anyone who has used one before. What i'm not sure about though is if its spring will work w/ my weight. 150 lb and no pillion.

thanks
I think that at 150 lbs.you would be happy with the ZX6/636 shock on a first gen. Works great for me and I weigh the same.
I have the 2006 636 shock on mine. i go 260 with gear and it works fine. I also have a hugger so I wound up cutting the battery box and I have a very small battery that rides on top of the shock reservoir and tilts back at about a 40 degree angle. Took some work but now it works fine.
does the ZX6 or 636 drop the seat height any?
very interesting.. im looking into doing the same as i weigh 220.. ive heard the zx14 is the best and requires the least modification if any to the battery box,, it supposedly better for the heavy guys like us.. as for a geometry change im not to sure .. also i have heard he 636 is stiffer than the zx10 shock as well...
the ZX-10 shock will be too squishy at your weight. The ZX-14 gave me a pretty stiff feel at 215 in gear (I would call it agressive street) so at 230-240, it would be a good daily rider. You can also back off the preload to keep a fairly stock height and soften it up further.

The only modification on my second gen was adding a washer to space out the bottom bolt (sourced from the ZX-14) so it would clear the dogbones and to remove the little plastic piece covering the battery box (standard with any shock swap).

If you're worried about ride height, you can also install lowering links to compensate for the rise from installing a shock.
1st gen vs 2nd gen are very different. the only shock that's decent for 1st gen is zx6, i forget year, and it's too light for your weight.
I think that at 150 lbs.you would be happy with the ZX6/636 shock on a first gen. Works great for me and I weigh the same.
I'm at 170# (sans gear) and the '04 636 in my '02 SVS works fine as well.
1st gen vs 2nd gen are very different. the only shock that's decent for 1st gen is zx6, i forget year, and it's too light for your weight.
according to that chart a 03-04 zx6r as you said is good and it looks as if the 04-05 zx10 would also be a good candidate.. its 1mm longer than stock and considerably stiffer sprung ever more so than the zx6 shock...hmmm? 04-05 zx10 or 03-04 zx6??? and as for it being too light um anyone can buy a spring for it and still have less than $150 in the rear suspension set to their weight .. sounds like a bargain to me
i just cant loose ride height bc im tall at 6'4" so a little increase in ride height would be ok i guess but not too much to upset the chassis and make the bike unstable. and the zx10 shock is closer to the stock length shock than the zx6
i just cant loose ride height bc im tall at 6'4" so a little increase in ride height would be ok i guess but not too much to upset the chassis and make the bike unstable. and the zx10 shock is closer to the stock length shock than the zx6
The SVs, first gen especially, can benefit from a lot more shock length. We run ~352mm on the first gen race bikes, even on the street 348mm is as short as I'd want to go. For spring rate you need around 650lb/in. None of the swap candidates are close.
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