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so not worth it, ur kidding urself

by the time ur radar detector goes off you're already hit with laser
unless by some small miracle they are hitting the car next to you who is also
speeding and go after them instead
 

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if it works as well as say the Escort which is mad for a cage, then yes it would be i wise buy
 

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novakane said:
so not worth it, ur kidding urself

by the time ur radar detector goes off you're already hit with laser
LASER and RADAR --two different technologies, but I digress because the outcome is still the same (ticket). You're right about the LASER (sorry I'm an RF tech geek that's why I have the caps) though. Once it hits you, you're toast. There's very little scatter from a LASER speed gun that which is why you'll never pick it up if the cops are aiming at the car next to you. Usually the cops look for something reflective, like a front license plate on a car, to aim for so I'm not sure what they'll aim for on a motorcycle. Especially a naked one.

As for RADAR, I can't tell you how may "cop in a box" (the your speed is:____ sign) I've passed pushing speeds in excess of the posted limit and they've never registered me on the bike. (Naked Yellow 650 of course ;)) I like to think it's because I'm too small to register a Doppler shift, which RADAR relies on, therefore no speed detection for me.

Of course this is all fine and dandy until the well trained eye of the popo sees me shooting past all of the traffic on the highway.

So...IMO I think RADAR detectors on bikes are worthless except for letting you know the cop is up ahead, because they're half asleep waiting for the "speeder alarm" to go off which it won't 'cause you're too tiny. But if you're the kind of motorcyclist that you should be, you've already spotted him because you're looking a half mile down the road for potential trouble.
 

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From what ive heard from cops here they aim at headlights. I have no clue if this is true or not but it would be a reflective area as indiana is a state that does'nt have front plates.
 

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www.radarbusters.com has a lot of good info do your homework before spending your cash. in my truck i run a escort 8500 x50 and it is worth the money. if i could say anything about detecors in general YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!!!!!!
 

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Abe Froman said:
So...IMO I think RADAR detectors on bikes are worthless except for letting you know the cop is up ahead, because they're half asleep waiting for the "speeder alarm" to go off which it won't 'cause you're too tiny. But if you're the kind of motorcyclist that you should be, you've already spotted him because you're looking a half mile down the road for potential trouble.
I'm gonna have to call BS on the too small to radar theory based on the number of tickets I have recieved from RADAR guns (one was a LASER). The cops were definately too far to "see" how fast I was going but the speeds were all dead on. If you can radar a baseball, then an SV is no problemo.

-josh
 

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Radar for certainly can nail a bike ;D oops. As can the laser but like abe said most the time they got ya buy the time the damn fuzz buster goes off.
 

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Newdriver said:
I'm gonna have to call BS on the too small to radar theory based on the number of tickets I have recieved from RADAR guns (one was a LASER). The cops were definately too far to "see" how fast I was going but the speeds were all dead on. If you can radar a baseball, then an SV is no problemo.

-josh
Good point with the baseball. I was basing my opinion off of the "cop in a box" radar guns which I'm certain are not as sensitive or routinely calibrated like the Stalker units most state police use.

I'll admit to having a detector in my truck which has saved my butt more than once. But the thing that has saved me the most is just carefull observation of the road ahead.
 

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Abe Froman said:
Good point with the baseball.  I was basing my opinion off of the "cop in a box" radar guns which I'm certain are not as sensitive or routinely calibrated like the Stalker units most state police use. 

I'll admit to having a detector in my truck which has saved my butt more than once.  But the thing that has saved me the most is just carefull observation of the road ahead.
I get tagged by "cop in the box" all the time. I actually like to see how much I can spike it with one turn of the wrist.

But +1 to good judgment be #1 ticket protector.
 

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I have plenty of experience on this... I run a valentine 1 and RADAR you can detect and avoid 99% of the time... LASER is a biarch, you have a couple of options though:

1. LaserVeil (www.laserveil.com) can increase the reaction time you get as it distorts the laser beam and I can attest to it's usefulness as I have it on my bike and it works! Combined with the Valentine1 I've not had a LASER encounter I haven't come out on top of yet (touch wood)...

2. Laser Jammer (http://www.radarbusters.com/products/motorcycle-radar-detectors/blinder.asp) which has been proven to completely destory the LASERs ability to get a reading from you, but you pay for what you get as is life...

3. Slow the f**k down, not the option I've gone with (yet) but definitely the cheapest option...


This really does turn into a battle of who has the best technology when it comes down to it, which is closely tied to your wallet, so everyone will eventually reach an equilibrium as to how much protection they want and how fast you ride... ;D
 

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I beleive it was Motorcyclist (or maybe SportRider) that published a fairly thorough article on this subject.

They outfitted a 2004 R1 with a combination Radar/Laser Detector and a Laser jammer and tested the bike against all of the most recent radar/laser/lidar guns currently in use with US police forces.

the radar detector worked in as much as it warned the rider well before he could actually see the popo. this assuming that the officer isn't using instant-on radar, in which case by the time your detector goes off, the po already has your speed.

the Laser jammer succesfully prevented the laser guns from ever getting a speed reading. The trick here is to have a handlebar mounted switch to deactive the jammer so that when the officer tries and fails to tag you with the laser gun, your detector goes off, you quickly slow to a safe speed, then turn the jammer off and let the officer tag you, so that he thinks his gun just had a little malfunction, rather than the certainty that he got jammed.

The kit they had on the R1 totaled for about $800 IIRC, but that is almost worth it if it save you a couple of tickets and the associated insurance a$$-gouging.
 

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Abe Froman said:
  LASER and RADAR --two different technologies, but I digress because the outcome is still the same (ticket).  You're right about the LASER (sorry I'm an RF tech geek that's why I have the caps) though.  Once it hits you, you're toast.  There's very little scatter from a LASER speed gun that which is why you'll never pick it up if the cops are aiming at the car next to you.  Usually the cops look for something reflective, like a front license plate on a car, to aim for so I'm not sure what they'll aim for on a motorcycle.  Especially a naked one.

As for RADAR, I can't tell you how may "cop in a box" (the your speed is:____ sign) I've passed pushing speeds in excess of the posted limit and they've never registered me on the bike.  (Naked Yellow 650 of course ;))  I like to think it's because I'm too small to register a Doppler shift, which RADAR relies on, therefore no speed detection for me.

Of course this is all fine and dandy until the well trained eye of the popo sees me shooting past all of the traffic on the highway.

So...IMO I think RADAR detectors on bikes are worthless except for letting you know the cop is up ahead, because they're half asleep waiting for the "speeder alarm" to go off which it won't 'cause you're too tiny.  But if you're the kind of motorcyclist that you should be, you've already spotted him because you're looking a half mile down the road for potential trouble.
they aim lazer at the headlight... the infrared laser frequency does not get interference from the white light of the headlamp bulb

if you bike isn't picked up by the "cop in a box" then they have the thing not setup properly, they always pick me up. I can't think of how many times my V-1 has sounded waaaay before the LEO is within my sight

are you a LEO trying to convince riders that detectors don't work?
 

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I have a solution:

Don't speed, then you won't have to worry about it. ;)

BTW: are radar detectors legal in the US? In Canada, they're not. :mad:
 

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Radar Detector?? for what?? whats that thing ur right hand is wrapped around?? uhmmmmm just give it a fist full of gas and ur outta there, lol I j/k keep that for track dayz
 

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03-SV650RR said:
I have a solution:

Don't speed, then you won't have to worry about it.  ;)

BTW: are radar detectors legal in the US? In Canada, they're not.  :mad:
federal govenment doen't have that authority in the US, it's up to each individual state, AFIK the only places in the US that it's not legal to have a detector is Virginia and Washington,DC


I thought it detectors were legal in some provinces?
 

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aceluck said:
the Laser jammer succesfully prevented the laser guns from ever getting a speed reading. The trick here is to have a handlebar mounted switch to deactive the jammer so that when the officer tries and fails to tag you with the laser gun, your detector goes off, you quickly slow to a safe speed, then turn the jammer off and let the officer tag you, so that he thinks his gun just had a little malfunction, rather than the certainty that he got jammed.
Be careful with these. in NY the troopers lasers will tell them if they are being jammed. I they catch you it's more than a speeding ticket. They also slap you with obstruction of justice. And that can be up to three different tickets.
 

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are you a LEO trying to convince riders that detectors don't work?
Nope. My ex-wife is a NYS Trooper though. Me personally I work in the Human Intelligence arena and have frequent dealings with the SIGINT community, hence my amateur interest. As for the cop in a box -- they've never picked me up. And believe me I've tried; changed lane position, varied speed from real slow to triple digits on the highway. I've never had the joy of seeing 117 flash on this things :mad:

As for the laser and the headlight, I've often thought that the cops would aim at that. But I never knew if it would still work, due to what I perceived as a scattering of the laser off of the reflector in the housing. Just didn't seem to be the most accurate of places to get a decent reading.
 

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Froggin sV said:
Be careful with these. in NY the troopers lasers will tell them if they are being jammed. I they catch you it's more than a speeding ticket. They also slap you with obstruction of justice. And that can be up to three different tickets.
Based on my understanding (atleast in TX) they are legal, although it is illegal to have a RADAR jammer, there is no legislation (yet) about jamming of LASER...
 
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