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Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'09 SV650

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Hi Everyone!

So I was browsing all the TRE threads on the forum for a while and finally decided to take the leap and make myself a smart automatic TRE. I noticed there was a healthy interest in the TRE's nickgreen was building so I decided to get a few of the factory plugs and pick up where he left off. I bought the wire, resistors and transistors needed to build these in quantity so I figured I would offer to build these plug and play smart TRE's for anyone that was interested.

I am building my plug and play aTREs in 2 versions for all models of SV650 from 2003 to 2009:
Version 1: Standard aTRE - $39
Version 2: Switchable aTRE - $56

NOTE: These prices cover the cost of the build components, my labor and shipping to the lower 48 states. Shipping outside the US is actual cost.

To Order Visit: Cost effective TREs for Suzuki SV Motorcycles by StevesTRE on Etsy

Thanks!!
- Steve

And onto the details...

Version 1: Standard aTRE - $39

TRE in Packaging


Version 2: Switchable aTRE - $56


NOTES:
1. Version 2 is the same smart plug and play design as Version 1 but will include a switch to allow you to switch between stock and TRE mode (aka: On and Off) for on-the-fly comparison and eliminating the need to uninstall the aTRE to go back to stock timing. The switch will be on a 12 inch lead allowing you to mount it somewhere within reach while riding.
2. SV1000 units will be the same design as the SV650 pictured but with the appropriate white triangle shaped 3 wire plugs instead of the translucent 4 wire square ones used on the SV650.
3. My TRE can be removed at any time returning your SV to stock condition leaving no alteration to your bike.

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Steve's TRE Installation Video !
I created an installation video for my TRE.
Here is the YouTube link.
Link to Steve's TRE Installation Video

aTRE Installation Instructions
Ignition must be off before installation!
1. Remove side panels
2. Remove seat
3. Remove two hex hold down bolts at front of gas tank.
4. Prop up gas tank.
5. Locate ECU/GPS harness plug near gas tank hinge.
(Harness plug will be translucent or white with blue, pink and black wires coming out of each side.)
6. Disconnect ECU/GPS plug and plug aTRE in line with harness.
7. Position and secure aTRE to ensure there is no interference with gas tank and hinge.
8. Lower gas tank and replace two hex hold down bolts. Reinstall seat and side panels.
9. Go for a test ride, Enjoy!
Note: Switch for switchable aTREs can be mounted by simple zip tie or panel mounted in a ¼” hole.

Disclaimer: This product is intended for race use only. The act of installing this product implies buyer’s full responsibility for all outcomes derived from its installation and use.
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So what is an aTRE and what does it do?

It stands for "Automatic Timing Retard Eliminator". It is important to understand that "timing" refers to when the ignition spark occurs, relative to the position of the piston during the combustion cycle of your engine. The optimum place for the spark of ignition to occur is just a before the piston hits top dead center. If the "timing" is set in this manner, there is maximum torque provided by the firing of the piston.

If the ignition is timed too early then the fuel and air are ignited while the piston is still coming UP, so that a lot of energy is wasted battling this upward momentum. This is called advancing the timing.

If the spark occurs too late then the piston is ALREADY moving DOWN, the fuel/air mixture is NOT fully compressed anymore, and less "push" is obtained from the explosion. This is called "retarding the timing". It gives you something less than maximal torque. Proper timing is crucial to maximize the "push" to the piston, which equals more maximum torque.
Suzuki has deliberately programmed the SV computer for less than maximum torque in gears 1, 2 and 3. Presumably, this is done to protect the rider from the full power. What they've done is to "retard" the timing, or make the spark occur TOO LATE, on purpose, so that maximal torque is NOT achieved.

The "ATRE" changes the voltage signal sent to the SV’s computer by the gear position sensor and removes the "retarding", to time the ignition spark to when it will give maximum torque. Thus you have "eliminated the timing retard".

The “automatic” part of the name comes from the fact that this TRE is designed to working automatically while maintaining the neutral voltage for smooth starts and proper neutral timing. It “automatically” turns on the TRE function when you switch into gear. This simple plug and play modification gives you better combustion and power in gears 1, 2, and 3. You'll notice the SV has smoother more responsive performance without the excessive jerking and engine braking in lower gears.
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A Note About TRE Performance

I don't want to mislead anyone, no simple aTRE will give a "dramatic" difference in performance. A $27-$40 electronic part isn't going to produce power like an engine swap or turbo or some $1000 horsepower producing device, it is a subtle change. Knowing this and using it I think the improvement is worth what I am charging but it really blows my mind that "others" are having success selling the same device for $100+ dollars. Please keep in mind that my TRE, and any TRE for that matter is only modifying the voltage going to the ECU to eliminate the timing retard and make the bike think it is always in 5th gear. It only affects the lower RPM range on the first 4 gears. If you feel smoother acceleration and throttle response in lower gears (less jerky feeling down low) and a mild increase in lower end torque then it is doing its job. I would say the bottom line is that my aTRE improves the real world drivability of the SV650 and SV1000 especially in traffic, at slow speed and through the twisties.

Don't get your hopes up on the TRE improving your dyno numbers. From the little I know about dyno testing, it is my understanding that dyno runs are performed in higher 4th and 5th gears and the real numbers come out under full load. The TRE functions on lower gears 1-4 on the lower half of the RPM range. It doesn't have any effect on upper RPM range or "wide open throttle".

So if you do a run in 3rd or 4th gear you may see an improvement in the very low end of the chart but on standard 5th gear runs the TRE will do NOTHING to improve your dyno numbers because my aTRE does not affect 5th and 6th gears at all. I will go on record now to say don't expect to see much if any change in your horsepower numbers on the dyno.
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Neutral Glow Phenomenon

UPDATE: I wanted to make an official announcement to let everyone know that I have made slight modification to my ATRE design. The modification has eliminated the neutral light ghosting phenomenon completely!!!

The neutral light ghosting was purely a cosmetic issue but I feel that being able to eliminate it is an improvement in the design nonetheless. The updated design started shipping in the beginning of August 2009 and is marked by 3 wires coming out of both sides of the unit instead of 3 and 2. Other than the neutral light fix, function and performance of both designs is identical.
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Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650


:) Like so many other people experienced with Nick Green, he never resurfaced to deliver what he offered,

These are the same units as Nick Green was offering but did not deliver,

Good on Shady for being entrepreneur enough to make them up.

Enjoy the ride, and best regards,
Blair
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Okay folks, thanks for the interest and spirited commentary.

An invoice has been sent to all that requested. If everyone pays their invoice the first lot of 5 will be sold. I am ordering more plugs today and will ship the next batch of units out in about a week as soon as the plugs arrive. Please continue send your requests and payments to avoid any delays in shipping.

I have no idea if this will work on an '07-'08 models and make no claims to this fact.

A NOTE ABOUT DESIGN DUPLICATION AND RESELLING:
First off, I have read and I am aware of sv-racing parts allegedly copying and/or selling other people's designs. I don't know if any of this is founded or not but I figure since I am "borrowing" the plans for this TRE, which I have made perfectly apparent in the first post of this thread, then I would be just as guilty as the next guy for building and selling these units based on another persons design.

Now that being said, I would sincerely hope that everyone would play fair here. I know that this is a working design and that I am selling these units for the least amount of money around. I am doing so in an effort to give everyone on the forum a chance to try this mod out at a very reasonable price. I am currently not selling these on ebay or anywhere else and would ask that if you are buying multiple units for friends or race buddies that you pass the deal along for the same price I charged and not try to make any money on my hard work, because I am making practically nothing on these considering the amount of personal time it takes to build these suckers. If you want to make money on TREs please build your own. I will be marking my units before shipment and you can be sure that if my units show up on ebay I will start selling mine there as well for less out of spite.

Thanks!!! - Steve
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Install instructions added to the first post!!!
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

well, steve, I hope you can sell enough to pay for the supplies you bought, because you are about to be pushed out of the market.
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Good on Shady for being entrepreneur enough to make them up.

Enjoy the ride, and best regards,
Blair
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Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

:) Like so many other people experienced with Nick Green, he never resurfaced to deliver what he offered,

These are the same units as Nick Green was offering but did not deliver,

Good on Shady for being entrepreneur enough to make them up.

Enjoy the ride, and best regards,
Blair
I didn't follow the thread that far, it just seemed odd that you would want so many of them since your profile says that you have a first gen and these are for second gen. The fact that you never even tried to defend your reputation in the other thread makes little things like that stand out. :dontknow:
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

I didn't follow the thread that far, it just seemed odd that you would want so many of them since your profile says that you have a first gen and these are for second gen. The fact that you never even tried to defend your reputation in the other thread makes little things like that stand out. :dontknow:
:) I race a gen one, I want the tre for the gen 2 street and the DL650 Vstrom,

I've been riding and racing for 43 years, I have a few toys,

I will get to the other thread, when I get some time later today,

Any parts I have that are similar to any parts made by anyone else have been modified and improved,

BTW: Nick Green asked me if I would be interested in marketing the TRE, I told him it was better for him to do it himself,

I offer the same advice to Shady,

I am too busy providing great service, really fair prices, and terrific parts to get caught up in nonsense.

Notice that I have also never hidden behind a pseudonym or blocked email or PM messages,

I stand behind what I sell, and I look after my customers,

Enjoy the ride, and best regards,
Blair
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Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Thank you to everyone for looking out for me and offering comments of support and/or concern. Now that we have that out of the way...back to business!
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

I will likely get in on the next batch. So no annoying side affects from installing this on 03-06 correct?
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

I will likely get in on the next batch. So no annoying side affects from installing this on 03-06 correct?
May give a very faint neutral light in some gears. I haven't seen this yet but some claim it is visible at night it is said this varies from bike to bike.
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

:) I race a gen one, I want the tre for the gen 2 street and the DL650 Vstrom,

I've been riding and racing for 43 years, I have a few toys,

I will get to the other thread, when I get some time later today,
Understandable, I've only been riding for 4 years and am up to almost 3 bikes now (still waiting on Haulbikes to get around to delivering the Husky).

Look forward to seeing your reply in the other thread.
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

:) That's just crazy talk,

Enjoy the ride, and best regards,
Blair
By "crazy talk" do you mean "the truth of the matter?" I'm confused.


By past records, we should know who is "trustworthy." I'll just leave it at that.
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

By "crazy talk" do you mean "the truth of the matter?" I'm confused.

:) By that I mean don't be crazy, It is a ridiculous suggestion,

Enjoy the ride, and best regards,
Blair
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Zoran!!! Explain that. Or is that crazy talk?
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Everyone who makes mistakes will need to pay the price, including Blair.
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

What exactly is this about? aTRE?
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Sweet. I'll be waiting for the next batch. :)
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

+1 for the next batch, and a ghetto subscribe
Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Spacecoast: ATRE is Automatic Timing Retard Eliminator (or close to that). Someone more knowledgeable correct me if I get this wrong, but it is my understanding that bikes have timing retard built into some (if not all) gears in order to pass Federal emissions regulations. The ATRE gets rid of this, which results in better throttle response and performance.

I looked at the gear indicator/aTRE sold by the speedohealer folks, but balked at the $140 price. Interested to hear whether there is a noticeable affect on performance. I've seen one review that claimed the difference was easily felt on I-4's, but not so much on a V-Strom, which (as we know) is the same engine as the SV. So, curious to hear from someone with ATRE whether it actually works on the SV or not.
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