[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Shady, where were you about a year ago?!

It looks good, I'm sure you'll sell plenty.

Zach, Didn't Shady post up everything someone needs to make their own? Would it really help Blair copy it any if he had one? Not that I'm saying he will, I'm just asking.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Ddin't receive a PM. Others were able to use NickGreen's ATRE on their K7s, but they did get some minor glow on their N lights. They indicated that it didn't affect performance or trip FI codes. Is this one different? Thanks.

FWIW I have an '05 and I have Ivan's smart tre and my Neutral light still glows a little. It seems to increase with rpm somewhat, but it is very faint and only visible at night.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

How does this compare to the TPS mod that's floating around on the forum? Is it basically the same thing or does the TRE do something else?

Completely different. The TPS "mod" is an adjustment of your throttle position sensor.

This makes your ignition timing un-retarded. Read the first post to see what it does.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

oh... now you're just making it too easy for folks to do this

BTW, now I know how to use the tank-prop :X
I was using it the wrong way... teehee

Great vid, and way-to-go on being a thorough provider!

How in the world were you using it?!

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

haha... upside down.
So the "loop" went to the tank (one of the tabs where you screw the tank to the frame)

the "rod" end went INTO the screw-hole

... be easy:nana:! this is my first bike... and plus! I heard tank prop-rods are not that popular for other bikes too? I bought this bike used. Never read the manual on "how to use the prop-rod" sorry

That's funny. Sounds a little precarious too. Glad your tank never fell.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

I thought steve already went over the dyno thing. Meaning that most dyno runs are done in fifth or sixth gear and the tre does not affect these gears. You may see a difference at the drag strip. thats wear im going to test mine.

I thought the tre only had an effect at part throttle in the lower gears. At wide open I believe it runs the regular timing map. I could be wrong though.

Out of curiosity, would the aTRE mod interfere with a power commander at all? I am getting mine installed on the 15th and am considering installing the aTRE. Would adding one after the PC3 mess up anything?

I don't know much about power commanders, but if you can change the ignition timing then you really don't need an aTRE.

Sorry Shady, I'm not trying to hurt your business, just trying to help out a fellow member.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Let me re-phrase it for you,

If the F#@[email protected] TRE is burn the bike will or will not start?

Simple!!

Not exactly. How did it get burn?

I THINK the bike would still run, but you would get an FI code.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Dont know, I just dont feel the difference compared to the old one. I think this one is not working.

The bike starts fine, but I could not feel the difference like the previous one that I got, so I am going to install the old one again.

So if you flip the switch you don't notice anything one way or the other?

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Actually I didnt install the one with the switch, I installed a regular one

Did you get yours from 92westshady or somewhere else?

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

I know some people won't see this post and I would love to change the price on the first page of this thread but I can no longer edit that post. I will do my best to provide explanations in my purchase request replies, I apologize for any inconvenience or disappointment this price increase may cause.

Thanks for all the support and positive feedback,
Steve

PM a mod. Currently, Dackler, GMSlave, etc. Anyone of them would probably edit the first page for you.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

On a side note, I do have neutral light ghosting. I imagine this will eventually lead to the neutral light burning out at some point, does anyone know how easy it is to replace?

Depends on how well you can solder.

The neutral light is an led and you really shouldn't have any problems with it burning out, ever.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

On the switching note, I remembered I had a question: can I switch the TRE on/off *whenever*? Or should I, e.g., be in neutral, above 4th gear (5th or 6th), or should the engine be off?

I don't think anyone has a definite answer on this. Your ecu would think that you're switching from 5th to whatever gear your in. I reckon there could be a hiccup with the timing, but I doubt it.

It should be safe to do it in 5th and probably in 6th as well.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Thanks Luis, you always come with such great explanations.

SCORCHA: I am sorry if I sound like an @$$ but there is over 40 pages of great reviews for this product. Plus as Luis just said how much does 1/2 hp or 1hp cost.

I will give you real numbers tomorrow. I AM TAKING THIS $HIT TO THE DYNO TONIGHT AND I WILL GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS TOMORROW. W AND W/O TRE.

Now question??? will this be reflected on 2nd 3rd and 4th gear on the graphic or isn't only for 5th and 6th (DYNO)

From Ivan's site (the creator of the tre) http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/tre.htm

What the manufacturer has done is to make a SEPARATE IGNITION MAP FOR EACH GEAR.
This has been done for either safety and/or emissions reasons. However, it limits the power and smoothness of your bike in the first 1/2 turn of the throttle in gears 1 through 4.

It seems to me that unless you do a part throttle run, in a lower gear, that you won't find anything.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

We have been over this dyno thing earlier in the thread. Don't get your hopes up for any improvement in numbers on the Dyno. Dyno runs are generally performed in gears 5 or 6 at full throttle. The TRE only effects gears 1-4 from closed to half throttle. From my personal experience the TRE offers an improvement in torque and throttle response which I consider more of improvements in feel and rideability than power improvements . So I would say the best real world test would be some drag strip runs to see if you get better numbers with the TRE installed.

Well as long as we're going over stuff again, can you explain how a part throttle increase in torque would change anything in a drag run?

I mean who runs the 1/4 mile at half throttle. ;D

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

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[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Question maybe...?


Perhaps an answer!!

It was an answer, but then I watched the video and all became clear. I removed my foot from my mouth and edited my post.

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

Oh.. What was your answer?

Misunderstanding on your part.

Are you sure it was a 3/16 bit you used?

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'06 SV650

100% positive it was a 3/16 bit, and I am 100% sure I used a 1/4 inch.

I'm still a little lost though. Misunderstanding on my part?

My first thought was that you misunderstood or remembered incorrectly and it actually said 1/4". Then I saw the video and was like, "Well I'm retarded."

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'08 SV650

Steve can confirm, but I believe that in order to eliminate the neutral light ghosting issue, he went from the aTRE design to a straight TRE a few weeks ago.

.. Gregg

Is this true?

 

[BossMan]

Re: Plug and Play Smart (aTRE) for '03-'08 SV650

The design was changed to eliminate the neutral ghosting after running a bunch of tests with verification from an electrical engineer member on the forum to verify that the new design maintains voltages within range for all gears and neutral and performs identically to the original version. One might call this a simple aTRE design for the SV650. I have had each variation on my own bike for several months each and perceived absolutely no variation in performance other than eliminating the neutral ghosting. The changed in design was stated on page 58 of the thread when it was made.

That's what I thought. It's still an aTRE, but without the ghosting.

Thanks for the quick response.