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For what it's worth I have settled on this as a solution for GPS and Radar.


On the right is your basic iPhone, which I carry anyways.
In the center is a GPS receiver from Dual Electronics ($89). It only fetches GPS data and I use the TomTom iPhone app (Android, too) ($49).
On the left is a Cobra iRadar 100 ($90 Amazon) [Use 105 for Android]
The iRadar is also just a receiver. No user interface, just an on/off/mute. It has an app (free) which runs on the smart phone and gives speed, radar alerts for all the bands including the new POP and speed/redlight cameras maps , compass heading and a volt meter for the bikes charging system (I guess because they could). Best is that both units transmit to the smart phone via Bluetooth so no cords. Naturally, the turn by turn directions and the radar alerts end up in your helmet. Personally, I'm using Sony ear buds but you can use BT speakers. On the iPhone at least, the music politely fades as the directions come and go.

Over the years I've had various combinations of Garmins, TomToms, Escort Passports. Recently, I bought and returned a Passsport IQ ($500), the combo unit. The GPS interface and processor was unacceptable. I tried the iPhone maps thing but I'm usually out of cell range pretty early on on my rides. Plus by using the Dual GPS there is no cellular data usage and I'm a big fan of the TomTom user interface.

As for mounting the iPhone, I got one of the hundreds of available arm bands and strap it on the out side of my sleeve. That way if I really need to look a the map I can. Just like looking at a watch.

So in the end, I'm pretty darn satisfied. I can move it from bike to bike (and car). I've got music, phone, GPS and Radar. I actually don't use the music too often but knowing that the only gas station I can reach is behind me prevents a really bad day and the radar saves me money and hassle every year. Hope this helps.
 

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I used to ride with my phone dash-mounted on my bike (for GPS navigation, music, etc) until I realized that in case I had an accident and I wasn't able to walk, I would want to have my phone on me to call 911 and/or my wife for help.
 

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How's the range on those? Cobra units I've seen in the past frankly suck. I use a beltronics detector that can see ka band as much as 1.5 miles away, sometimes more.
 

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How's the range on those? Cobra units I've seen in the past frankly suck. I use a beltronics detector that can see ka band as much as 1.5 miles away, sometimes more.
That is a perfect question. That was a major concern for me, and I agree that they had a poor reputation in the past. I worked my way through their phone system until I got to the boys in the back room. The guy I spoke with took a fair amount of time with me and in the end convinced me that their current product line is evolved from their long-haul trucker radar series (the CB radio biz disappeared). He told me that the iRadar has the exact same "guts" as their XRS 9970G model. So I compared the specs of that one against other brands, as best as one can. There is no single independent comparative grid sheet that I could find. Still, when I looked at the various manufactures specs all the top-of-the-line models are just about equal. Fractional differences. The hard part of comparing them is all of the "up to..." figures.

So as not to be misunderstood, I am not a lab or in the radar industry. The first strong comparative testing by me will come in June. I'm going on a 3000+ mile ride with 4 other guys 3 of whom carry Escorts so I'll know by the brake light timing if it measures up. For now I've been using it in my car and on the two occasions that I've come across a highway/commute patrol it went off on the cars ahead of me getting pinged, as one would expect.

One thing I like better than the others I've had in the past is that instead of having to interpret the type of beeps, a voice also says "Ka Band" along with the beeps. The smartphone software also gives you a sliding bar setting to announce when you have reached a certain self-selected speed.

I do realize that this is a fairly new product. If it fails you can count on hearing about it. Maybe, you could mount up your Beltronic and join us in June just for fun.
 

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How's the range on those? Cobra units I've seen in the past frankly suck. I use a beltronics detector that can see ka band as much as 1.5 miles away, sometimes more.
my opinion, who cares about a LEO sitting 1½+ miles ahead, I don't, I'm not in his range that he can identify me as a speeder. I'd rather know when he's ½ mile out, I still have sufficient time to slow down and I don't have to waste a whole mile of going slow
 

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my opinion, who cares about a LEO sitting 1½+ miles ahead, I don't, I'm not in his range that he can identify me as a speeder. I'd rather know when he's ½ mile out, I still have sufficient time to slow down and I don't have to waste a whole mile of going slow
True. But many people see bigger/higher numbers and assume its a better product and thus will shell out more $$$.
 

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The range isn't about how many miles, it's about getting notification BEFORE you have to grab the brakes. I like riding/driving, hearing a warning, letting off the gas and watching to see if the signal strength picks up. Gives me plenty of time to adjust speed, get over to the right lane and let other unknowing drivers catch the leo's attention. That's way better than feeling like I have to hit the brakes every time I hear my detector make a noise or risk being pulled over.

NVDucati, thanks for your response, sounds like it's a decent detector. I see Escort has a similar detector but it's a lot more expensive (as in, I could buy a Cobra for the car and bike and still save money).
 

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Interesting. What intercom system do you use with this? I am wondering how well it would work with my Scala Rider Q2.
 

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Interesting. What intercom system do you use with this? I am wondering how well it would work with my Scala Rider Q2.
I'm currently using a pair of sorta upscale Sony ear buds which are music quality. I'm now looking at a number of different mini bluetooth receivers ($80ish) that are key-fobe size which can accept two channels to go inside my helmet. One example is from jabra.com called the "Clipper".
I imagine your system would work just fine. I've never had a Scala but would love to know if the speaker quality and lack of wind noise is acceptable. What's your opinion?
 

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NVDucati, how do you have everything mounted to the bike? or are they all tucked away somewhere? How do you plan on dealing with rain/moisture? Also, do you know if the whole set up will work when your phone is out of range?

My handlebar is currently occupied by a Zumo 550 and TPX Detector. I like my set up and both items are rain proof but they take up a whole lotta space.
 

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NVDucati, how do you have everything mounted to the bike? or are they all tucked away somewhere? How do you plan on dealing with rain/moisture? Also, do you know if the whole set up will work when your phone is out of range?

My handlebar is currently occupied by a Zumo 550 and TPX Detector. I like my set up and both items are rain proof but they take up a whole lotta space.
I have them piggy-backed to each other with the GPS cube on top. They are stuck together with velcro. On my SV and CBR I have a little "snack tray" beside the headlight over the directional stem. On my K-bike I use a $8 suction cup mount (3" dia) on the inside of the windshield. I do use a elastic wrist strap around them even though it isn't really needed. Together they weigh nearly nothing. The radar uses a 12v cord for power and the GPS has an internal battery (good for 2 days).

Because they are both Bluetooth there are no other cords so you can stick them wherever you want. They both claim to be water resistant. I've always carried a sandwich bag for serious rain. They will still work through the bag.

As for the proximity of the phone: I carry it on me. Sometimes in my pocket. Sometimes in one of those arm band holders. I have Bluetooth speakers for turn/2/turn and radar alert and the helmet has a phone mic.

I honestly haven't really tested how far away from the bike it works but the GPS will work in a restaurant with the bike in the lot.

One of my goals was the ease of switching it from bike to car etc and because I carry a phone anyway it made sense to use it for the interface controls. Both apps run together and are very frugal with the iPhone battery. I've just ordered some new speakers / mic to roll my own helmet system. I'll get them installed in a few days.
 

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I just bought the iradar android edition. So far im happy with the testing done in the car with 2 exceptions.
1. No alerts through the Bluetooth on the phone. (I have looked into this and cobra plans on a update to make it work within a few weeks.)
2. User alerts happen when your right on top of them. (At least .25 of mile would be nice.)

This will be installed on my 1k soon.
For the cops that leave their radar on..I got plenty of notice..for the rest that "gun" ya, I still get notices from the signal bouncing off people in front.
Hopefully no more tickets this summer.
Ill post a pick of how it all looks when I get around to the install.
 

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Add to that..I have my phone mounted like this...

Both will be plugged in via a car lighter installed under the fairing.
The iradar has a usb on the car lighter cord so both my phone and detector always have power.
Btw..this pic was taken during my last pull over and ticketed.
 

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I just bought the iradar android edition. ...
2. User alerts happen when your right on top of them. (At least .25 of mile would be nice.)....
Ill post a pick of how it all looks when I get around to the install.
On mine I get "High enforcement area, ahead." -OR- "Active enforcement area, ahead." (when they are actually working it). I'm not sure what the lag time is between when the cop rolls up and the message changes. But both are a reasonable distance down wind / maybe a half mile (ish).

Love to see your instal photos. I suppose I should put one up, too.
 

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With my older Scala Q2, sound volume and quality is good at local speeds; barely acceptable at highway speeds. Also, quality deteriorates as the charge runs low.

My understanding is that the newest model (G9) is much better, but I have no first-hand experience. However, your set-up would probably work well with any of the current Bluetooth intercom systems.

I think the best sound is probably with in-ear buds combined with Bluetooth communicators, but that's even more $$$.
 

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With my older Scala Q2, sound volume and quality is good at local speeds; barely acceptable at highway speeds. Also, quality deteriorates as the charge runs low.

My understanding is that the newest model (G9) is much better, but I have no first-hand experience. However, your set-up would probably work well with any of the current Bluetooth intercom systems.

I think the best sound is probably with in-ear buds combined with Bluetooth communicators, but that's even more $$$.
The Bluetooth connector to either ear buds or speakers is another $90 for the one with a boost. The one I have on order is called "The Clip". The speakers I just got are from here: http://www.bikeintercom.com/homepage/xpro-helmet-speakers.html They very kindly mix-matched the up graded speakers with a phone mic that velcros inside the chin guard. I'm very optimistic. They bench test execellent. Time will tell.
 
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