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OK, this isn't exactly a group buy.

This product is supposed to decrease the distance form which police LASER speed guns can detect you. It is supposed to work particularly well on bikes since we have a pretty small reflective area and no front plate. We would apply it to our headlights and any other shiny bits you can identify.

http://www.laserveil.com/

I was thinking of giving this stuff a try and don't want to go "all in" on a $99 bottle large enough to cover "five cars".

Would 5-10 people like to split a bottle with me? I'll figure out how much it would take to cover SVS (or SV) headlights and snail mail it out precisely aliquoted in seal-a-meal type bags that will fit in a regular envelope. Add names below.

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linky?
 

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great pic.

I meant to say: THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR DEBATING THE MERITS OF THIS PRODUCT. THERE'S A REASON I DON'T WANT TO SPEND $90 ON IT.

That said, there's no reason it shouldn't work. There are many substances that absorb light at one wavelength and emit it at another. Ones that emit it at wavelengths we can see, we call "florescent." I'm not saying this stuff works miracles but there is no scientific reason that it wouldn't work at least to some degree.
 

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Don't want tickets ... don't speed ... especially where and when you shouldn't. ::)

<one ticket in thirty years>

If you really think this through, you will see the fault in product.

It is your money ... do what you will.
 

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That's why i wanted a link to investigate. Didn't have interest but I wanted to see if it warranted any trust without disrupting your purchase :p.
 

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This ought to be good for a few grins and giggles! :happy1:
 

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Don't want tickets ... don't speed ... especially where and when you shouldn't. ::)

<one ticket in thirty years>

If you really think this through, you will see the fault in product.

It is your money ... do what you will.
Get off the soap box. Do you argue with everyone that has a radar detector? Same ethics. Actually, I'm buying a radar detector too as the veil stuff is pretty much useless without it.

Do tell what you see as the "fault in product" that I'm implicitly too dim to spot.

Again, the point was to split this up so it was a $10-15 investment so what would it even matter if it _was_ snake oil?

Also, no speeding tickets for me since I was 19- about 13 years ago.
 

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I used a radar detector to learn how to drive and not get tickets. It lasted 8 years.

In those 8 years that I had it, I learned that the best way to drive and not get tickets is to not be in front. Let a car or two get in front of me and I follow them from a quarter mile back.

Never speed at night. Especially if you are the only car on the road.

If someone comes up your butt real fast, it is either a cop or an idiot, let them pass.

Have not had a detector in over twenty years.

It is all about strategy, I speed, I am not holier than thou ... I just know how, when and where to speed.

As for the fault in the product, stand in front of your bike, take a good look at it.

While the headlight makes the best target for reflecting laser light, it is not the only surface that does. That stuff looks like chit on plastic ... and you still get tickets if you do something stupid. Plus the stuff wears off ... you got to keep applying it.

Your mind and common sense is much more powerful than any hundred dollar marketing crap out there.

Buy a GPS and download the Speed trap - speed camera POI's into it.
Much better return for your money.

Oh ... how do I detect marketing crap from real stuff?

Easy ... when they use gorgeous women posing in front of a "hot" car that obviously does not have that chit painted on the headlamps ... Motor Trend magazine gets how many hundreds of thousands of dollars of advertising revenue from them? When ever you see an ad with a beautiful woman implicitly telling you that you are not good enough unless you purchase that product ... at least raise your eyebrows and scratch your head.

Is this really for real? ... come on mang ... use your critical thinking cap!
 

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I used a radar detector to learn how to drive and not get tickets. It lasted 8 years.

In those 8 years that I had it, I learned that the best way to drive and not get tickets is to not be in front. Let a car or two get in front of me and I follow them from a quarter mile back.

Never speed at night. Especially if you are the only car on the road.

Have not had a detector in over twenty years.

It is all about strategy, I speed, I am not holier than thou ... I just know how, when and where to speed.

As for the fault in the product, stand in front of your bike, take a good look at it.

While the headlight makes the best target for reflecting laser light, it is not the only surface that does. That stuff looks like chit on plastic ... and you still get tickets if you do something stupid. Plus the stuff wears off ... you got to keep applying it.

Your mind and common sense is much more powerful than any hundred dollar marketing crap out there.

Buy a GPS and download the Speed trap - speed camera POI's into it.
Much better return for your money.
Again, I was 19- maybe 20 when I got my last ticket (12 years ago) and have never owned a radar detector. I'm essentially going to be "commuting" 4,000 miles round trip several times this summer and thought I'd give the whole radar detector/ veil combo a try. I know your opinion on the matter; I've heard it before and completely agree that paying attention and knowing where to (or not to) speed is the most important thing.

But, IMO, I should not have to say all this just so I can move ahead in peace trying to get a few people to go in on $15 worth of clear paint.

So, what is the "fault" that my little head can't wrap itself around anyway?
 

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I edited my post and added more stuff to it.

If you will be traveling, get a GPS and download the speedtrap and speedcamera locations into it. Lots of places on the internet have them logged.

The GPS and a 10 dollar subscription to a POI database will do more to protect you than that stuff will.

Google " GPS speedtrap POI "

Lots of people took the time to log that stuff to help you do exactly what you want to avoid. Much better return on your money.

As for you getting another radar detector, ... good site here. I see that as a good investment, I have nothing to say against buying a good one.
http://www.radarroy.com/

read his comments on his blog
Product Review, GPS Angel Red Light/Speed Camera Warning System

Posted by Radar Roy Published in General, Photo Radar


If that won't change your mind, nothing will.

As for where to get good POI's, here is one site ... http://www.poi-factory.com/
 

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As for you getting another radar detector, ... good site here. I see that as a good investment, I have nothing to say against buying a good one.
http://www.radarroy.com/

read his comments on his blog
Product Review, GPS Angel Red Light/Speed Camera Warning System

If that won't change your mind, nothing will.

As for where to get good POI's, here is one site ... http://www.poi-factory.com/
From Radar Roy (summary: cuts the detection distance to under 200' provided you don't have a large white vehicle)

Black Shelby Mustang
Gun Baseline W/Veil
Stalker 987′ 167′
Laser Atlanta 1010′ 183′
LTI 100 LR 876′ 192′
LTI-LR 927′ 157′
Kustom ProLyte 910′ 172′

White Toyota SUV
Stalker 1300′ 689′
Laser Atlanta 1276′ 612′
LTI 100 LR 1198′ 634′
LTI-LR 1296′ 686′
Kustom ProLyte 1245′ 709′


RR is also how I decided on the detector I bought. (whistler xtr-695)

I have a GPS that I really like (garmin 2610) which unfortunately does not do POI alerts. My phone has GPS too and I am wiring it into headphones anyway so I'll see if TURBO GPS (the free gps app) will allow importing big lists of POIs. I know it does POI alerts but not sure if it takes lists. Thanks for that suggestion.
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Anybody interested? PM me so Joe doesn't give you ****. ;)
 

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I can say that I've been driving my Cages for over 15 years with Radar Detectors. I have been saved several times by the warning. I have not received a ticket for speeding since 1993. What I like about detectors is that they go off periodically. Sometimes with good reason, sometimes because of a microwave on in the neighborhood or an automatic door from a grocery store activating it. Because of the true and false alarms, the detector makes me more aware of my speed and surrounding regardless of where I am.

I'm looking to put one on the SV. Possibly that Adaptix unit, I'm not sure. I'd save your money on the secret potion and just invest that much more on a good detector.
 

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One would think,..That area 51 would have cornered the market.
I can't believe we are speending black billions,just to make x planes less radar sig.
We could have just got this stuff!......:)
 

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One would think,..That area 51 would have cornered the market.
I can't believe we are speending black billions,just to make x planes less radar sig.
We could have just got this stuff!......:)
This is just for LASER. Radar would be area 51 stuff for sure.
Energy near the visible spectrum is easy to absorb. If you painted the whole vehicle (headlights included) flat black they would have a very hard time getting you with laser.

Really, there is nothing sci-fi about this product. It is a filter that passes most colors of light but absorbs the wavelength that LIDAR uses. It's the technological equivalent of putting a colored filter on your camera lens; that is all.
 

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I haven't had a speeding ticket in decades, literally. I ascribe to the "you just gotta know" philosophy. With no radar detector or other devices I've managed avoiding speeding tickets by being clever rather than electronically equipped.
 

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I haven't had a speeding ticket in decades, literally. I ascribe to the "you just gotta know" philosophy. With no radar detector or other devices I've managed avoiding speeding tickets by being clever rather than electronically equipped.

Using your head and common sense is much more powerful than any gadget out there.

Let the idiots find the cops for you. There are PLENTY of those out there.
 
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