K&N oil filters
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If you can get them for the same price, get the K&N, why? why not.
Or get the puralators. I forgot the part number but less than $5.
Or get the puralators. I forgot the part number but less than $5.
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It's sooo not that serious with an SV motor. Get which ever is cheaper. But if Suzuki says their OEM filter meets or exceeds all required specs for their line up of bikes then getting something above that filtration level does nothing extra for you or the bike.
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No it's not, some on here are oil and oil filter snobs. Any filter or oil that meets the standards for the Suzuki motorcycle is going to work just fine. Anything that goes above those standards does nothing extra to making the bike run better or last longer.
Like I buy the store brand bottled water when I buy it. Others spends 2x or 3x that for a "brand' name water saying it's better. Guess what it's all phucking water.
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I had the K&N on mine, cannot recommend it if your bike ever sees wet days, the filter might be perfectly good but the casing soon became seriously rusted. Not just cosmetic, I took mine off after only one service instead of two and the metal was pitted and weakened to maybe 1/4 of the thickness in places. At that rate of decay I wouldn't be at all surprised if it holed under impacts (stones etc) if I'd left it on for the full lifespan. To be fair, my bike's a winter commuter so it does take a beating for stuff like this, but still. It's not good enough.
That's what you think. What's the difference between toilet water and distilled water? What about well water and sea water? They're all still water, but there is a big difference. Bad analogy, Nex.No it's not, some on here are oil and oil filter snobs. Any filter or oil that meets the standards for the Suzuki motorcycle is going to work just fine. Anything that goes above those standards does nothing extra to making the bike run better or last longer.
Like I buy the store brand bottled water when I buy it. Others spends 2x or 3x that for a "brand' name water saying it's better. Guess what it's all phucking water.
Anyways... on topic. The K&N is chrome and has a 14mm or 17mm( forgot what size) nut on the end of it. It's handy, but not necessary. I use fram and it has not given me any problems.
Edit: Just read Northwind's post... K&N sounds like crap. I will recommend fram, as that is what I always use in my cars and my SV. Never had a problem.
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I wouldn't say it's crap... My use isn't typical, the bike's out the back festering under a layer of salt off the road, and it's not been properly dry for 3 months But there's filters that do the same job without that problem, so I use those (I use OEM, because I got loads of them cheap from a liquidation sale)
But there's filters that do the same job without that problem, so I use those (I use OEM, because I got loads of them cheap from a liquidation sale)
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I was talking about drinking water only. So yes it was a great analogy.
I would argue with you, point out the different mineral concentrations of various waters' TDS(Total Dissolved Solids), and the differences in the structures of water molecules... but I dont think you would understand.
Still a bad analogy...:nana:
All my years of doing oil changes I've not had one single problem with the Fram oil filer. Though, I'd like to know why you say it's bad.
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Will drinking one 8 times a day be better for you then another?? NO it won't. Drink 8 glasses of clean drinking water a day and you'll live and be healthy. Spending 2x, 3x or 4x more for a "fancy" name spring water to drink 8 glasses a day isn't going to make you healthier or live longer. That's my point.
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solidONE. Re: FRAM -- They cut too many corners for my taste. Look at the photos online... some guy cut up a bunch, and the Fram is among the cheapest (as in flimsiest) made. Cardboard endcap, really weak plastic valve, smaller-than-average filter medium, etc. Maybe it matters, maybe not, but the product just doesn't look right to me. Plus, too many anecdotal horror stories for my taste. Just my opinion; I know others will argue this.
I like the Suzuki filter, and my dealer gives me a pretty good price. People seem to like the WIX filter, too. Maybe I'll try one.
I like tap water.
I like the Suzuki filter, and my dealer gives me a pretty good price. People seem to like the WIX filter, too. Maybe I'll try one.
I like tap water.
Point taken. Though some would say the difference is like the difference between Patron and Jose Cuervo tequeeelahs. Whether the costs reflects or is proportionate to those 'minute' differences is quite subjective. They both get you buzzed equally fast.
You like the lead, fluoride and chloride content too I suppose... :dontknow:
As far as the filters go, perhaps you're right. I'm quite happy with the 0% failure rate I've experienced so far.
I know my post count is low, but I am no idiot, and have certification (from Jiffy Lube lmao) for being an oil technician. < Meant to make you guys laugh. lol
What I am getting at is this:
In the .001% (my own stat. Could be higher, or possibly lower, just work with me. lol) chance that the media clogs on a Fram filter, the bypass valve can jam shut, thus starving your engine. I have personally never seen it happen. It can happen because the valve is thin plastic. In three years changing oil on 30-40 cars daily, I have never seen it. If it happens to you, your motor had bigger problems to begin with. Know what I mean?
And the oil? Well hell, its just opinion, AS LONG as it meets the spec, as stated. Synthetic vs conventional is a useless comparison in my opinion. Like the water analogy. Bottled water tastes better than tap to me, but both hydrate and quench my thirst.
I run the OEM Suzuki filter and Rotella 5w40. Does it work? Yup, but so would... OEM Suzuki oil. lol
What I am getting at is this:
In the .001% (my own stat. Could be higher, or possibly lower, just work with me. lol) chance that the media clogs on a Fram filter, the bypass valve can jam shut, thus starving your engine. I have personally never seen it happen. It can happen because the valve is thin plastic. In three years changing oil on 30-40 cars daily, I have never seen it. If it happens to you, your motor had bigger problems to begin with. Know what I mean?
And the oil? Well hell, its just opinion, AS LONG as it meets the spec, as stated. Synthetic vs conventional is a useless comparison in my opinion. Like the water analogy. Bottled water tastes better than tap to me, but both hydrate and quench my thirst.
I run the OEM Suzuki filter and Rotella 5w40. Does it work? Yup, but so would... OEM Suzuki oil. lol
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I either run K&N or Wix. 2 reasons
1. K&N has the nut on the end for convenience.
2. Wix- A local privately owned auto parts store that gave me a job years ago and taught me a lot about motors. Old fashioned type parts store turned drums and rotors, valve jobs and such. You get the point. So really it's just a loyalty issue and it is the main filter they carry.
I know about the filter dismantling that has been mentioned. We had a display like that and I remember when the Wix rep. came in and cut the filters open and it was rather shocking. There are very big differences between them all. I also could understand why you would stay away from Fram. Although this is 10+ years ago and would imagine things have changed. I know people who swear by them and can't say the 10 times I have used them they caused me any problems. In the end just get whatever name brand filter you want and you should be fine.
About the K&N rusting- I haven't experiences it myself or I would never buy another one. Plus my bike sees a minimal amount to rain and never sees any salt.
Edit- I just went out and bought the Rotella T 5-40 for my first time because of all the hype. How could I go wrong with all the Blue bottle users say so many great thing about it on here. It has to be the Viagra for my bike. It does come in a little blue bottle. That's close enough to a little blue pill for me.;D
1. K&N has the nut on the end for convenience.
2. Wix- A local privately owned auto parts store that gave me a job years ago and taught me a lot about motors. Old fashioned type parts store turned drums and rotors, valve jobs and such. You get the point. So really it's just a loyalty issue and it is the main filter they carry.
I know about the filter dismantling that has been mentioned. We had a display like that and I remember when the Wix rep. came in and cut the filters open and it was rather shocking. There are very big differences between them all. I also could understand why you would stay away from Fram. Although this is 10+ years ago and would imagine things have changed. I know people who swear by them and can't say the 10 times I have used them they caused me any problems. In the end just get whatever name brand filter you want and you should be fine.
About the K&N rusting- I haven't experiences it myself or I would never buy another one. Plus my bike sees a minimal amount to rain and never sees any salt.
Edit- I just went out and bought the Rotella T 5-40 for my first time because of all the hype. How could I go wrong with all the Blue bottle users say so many great thing about it on here. It has to be the Viagra for my bike. It does come in a little blue bottle. That's close enough to a little blue pill for me.;D
You can't cut open a filter and tell anything about its performance. If you let your filter sit on the bike so long that the media clogs you've got lots of other problems already, with or without the bypass valve sticking.
I've used Frams (and others, of course) for 45 years and never had an issue with them. But then, I've never maintained a vehicle so badly that sludging was an issue.
I've used Frams (and others, of course) for 45 years and never had an issue with them. But then, I've never maintained a vehicle so badly that sludging was an issue.
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