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I wanted to start a thread like this for awhile, since there's some stuff I'd like to occasionally share that doesn't fit into drama/funny/local (to me)/etc. sections.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/warrantless-house-search

Supreme Court OKs Warrantless House Search

By David Kravets
May 17, 2011

Police do not need a search warrant to knock on a suspected drug dealer’s door and then kick it down when a suspicious bustling noise is heard from the other side, the Supreme Court ruled 8-1.

Monday’s decision seemingly settles a legal issue to which the justices have given little guidance in the past — what type of “exigent circumstances” allow warrantless entry into a house. In this case, a lower court had thrown out the police search on the grounds that the cops effectively created their own emergency — the police had banged on the suspect door without a warrant, and then crashed through it moments later for fear that their knocking had set the inhabitants to destroying evidence. The police could have gotten the warrant before knocking in the first place, a dissenting justice ruled.

The appeal concerned a 2005 crack cocaine sting operation in Lexington, Kentucky, in which an informant purchased cocaine from a suspect outside an apartment complex. The suspect then walked through a breezeway of the complex, and officers on foot lost track of him.

The police, however, smelled marijuana outside an apartment, which was not the apartment the suspect had entered. They knocked and yelled “police,” heard some noise inside and kicked down the door to let themselves in on a belief that drug evidence was possibly being destroyed. The suspect they were looking for was not there, but three others were arrested for marijuana and cocaine possession.

One defendant, Hollis King, challenged his arrest, claiming it was based on an illegal entry. He pleaded guilty on the condition of an appeal and was sentenced to 10 years. A local judge said the authorities had the right to enter his apartment based on the smell of marijuana and the rumbling sounds inside the apartment. The Kentucky Supreme Court reversed, saying the entry was a Fourth Amendment breach.

“The Kentucky Supreme Court held that the exigent circumstances rule does not apply in the case at hand because the police should have foreseen that their conduct would prompt the occupants to attempt to destroy evidence,” Alito wrote. “We reject this interpretation of the exigent circumstances rule. The conduct of the police prior to their entry into the apartment was entirely lawful. They did not violate the Fourth Amendment or threaten to do so. In such a situation, the exigent circumstances rule applies.” (.pdf)

The decision was an offshoot of a 1980 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that said the police may not enter a private residence without a warrant unless there was probable cause and so-called “exigent” circumstances.

The authorities in the case decided Monday claimed the exigent circumstance was a belief that drug evidence was being destroyed. Nobody disputes that the smell of marijuana created the probable cause.

But was there an emergency, an “exigent circumstance” where there was not enough time to obtain a court warrant? Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg believed the police needed a warrant before entering the apartment.

“The court today arms the police with a way routinely to dishonor the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement in drug cases,” Ginsburg wrote. “In lieu of presenting their evidence to a neutral magistrate, police officers may now knock, listen, then break the door down, never mind that they had ample time to obtain a warrant.”

The Kentucky Supreme Court found the potential destruction of evidence was an exigent circumstance, but ruled in January that it was unlawfully created by the police.

“Where police are observing a suspect from a lawful vantage point, and the suspect sees police, then the exigency is generally not police-created. But where police unnecessarily announce their presence, and this creates the fear that evidence will be destroyed, police have created their own exigency, (.pdf) and cannot rely on the fear of evidence being destroyed as a justification for a warrantless entry,” the Kentucky high court ruled.

At least 16 states had weighed in on the case, (.pdf) urging the justices to set a nationwide standard on the issue.
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Agreed, and the clip they used for it on the news? The striptease from We're the Millers, a 2013 movie.
http://www.wired.com/2016/04/the-science-of-marijuana/

Geneticists trying to ID weed's genomes.

You know, because today is 4/20, afterall...
Pop superstar Prince dies at 57

Per David Burge.

"Prince was under-appreciated as a guitarist. He could shred."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y
Proved his chops in purple rain.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/12/wendys-expand-self-service-kiosks-amid-wage-hikes/

ANALYSIS/OPINION:

Conservatives predicted this was going to happen.

With minimum-wage hikes come job cuts. It’s Economics 101.

After New York City and California mandated $15 minimum-wage laws, fast-food chain Wendy’s reacted, announcing Thursday its plans to make available self-serving kiosks in its 6,000-plus restaurants across the country by year’s end.

In addition to using the technology to cut down on labor costs, Wendy’s President Todd Penegor noted on the company’s quarterly conference call, that some of its franchise locations have been raising prices to offset the minimum-wage increase, according to Investor’s Business Daily.

“Wendy’s Penegor said company-operated stores, only about 10 percent of the total, are seeing wage inflation of 5 percent to 6 percent, driven both by the minimum wage and some by the need to offer a competitive wage ‘to access good labor,’” IBD reported.

It’s only a matter of time until McDonald’s, Burger King and others follow suit.
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...After New York City and California mandated $15 minimum-wage laws, fast-food chain Wendy’s reacted, announcing Thursday its plans to make available self-serving kiosks in its 6,000-plus restaurants across the country by year’s end...
Holy crap, I didn't realize this actually happened. I remember hearing rumors that the workers wanted $15/hr but that was the last I heard about it.

It only makes sense though to add those self-serve kiosks, Sheetz and Wawa have them and still pay their employees decent wages (well Sheetz does atleast, don't know about Wawa). Maybe now when I order a Wendy's burger without that nasty Mayo maybe I'll actually get it less the mayo. :evil6:
Holy crap, I didn't realize this actually happened. I remember hearing rumors that the workers wanted $15/hr but that was the last I heard about it.

It only makes sense though to add those self-serve kiosks, Sheetz and Wawa have them and still pay their employees decent wages (well Sheetz does atleast, don't know about Wawa). Maybe now when I order a Wendy's burger without that nasty Mayo maybe I'll actually get it less the mayo. :evil6:
I think the biggest hit to employment of fast food workers isn't these kiosks, but rather the day when the back end cooking is automated. Face to face contact is a big part of the business that people care about. The back end, not so much. Especially when a machine can get your order cooked faster and right every time (least far better than a person can).
IEspecially when a machine can get your order cooked faster and right every time (least far better than a person can).
The entire WEBER NATION, and they are vast, would like to speak too you about that.



The barbecue crowd would also like a word...
The entire WEBER NATION, and they are vast, would like to speak too you about that.



The barbecue crowd would also like a word...
I was more reference to fast food, like McD's. Actual Barbecue places and restaurants will be different.
I actually like stores with kiosks over people up front, mostly because I don't like most things that come standard on a lot of sandwiches (tomato, mushroom and mayo) and I can guarantee that my sandwich is ordered exactly how I want it.

But yes I agree, once they get automated back end it will be a huge hit to fast food work force. I'd imagine quality control would be a nightmare though, not that fast food is particularly known for cleanliness but I would imagine it would be much worse, at least at first, due to employee morale taking a massive hit being replaced by machines.
This is actually a good thing. The job market needs to change. People have it in their head that these jobs are for high school kids so they dont deserve real pay even though these low skilled service jobs are dominating the job market. Automate them and force the next wave of innovation and job creation so that people have the opportunity to make a decent wage. Now, we just need to do a better job creating an environment of skilled workers who have the ability to create that next wave of innovation without going into debt for 20-30 years of their lives.
And therein lies the debate;
Same overhead for the employer with more workers at lower wages = more jobs
vs.
Same overhead for the employer with less workers at higher wages = less jobs
vs.
Higher overhead for the employer with more workers at higher wages = more jobs plus higher prices for the customer

Not to mention the cascade effect on pricing at all levels of the economy. Particularly those jobs that can't be accomplished by the fewer workers a high overhead would demand of an employer.
I think the relevant analysis has to include some reference to what it actually costs to get by in the area where the employer and employee are.
The current federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr. Working 2000 hours a year grosses $14,500/yr. The lifestyle which that income would support in, say, suburban Georgia, would cost just slightly less than $30,000 in NYC. http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/ $15/hr results in a $30,000/yr income.
Who bears the actual cost of that current income differential? Did I hear "Food Stamps?" Did I hear "Medicaid?" Did I hear "rent control?" (<-- a market intervention particularly hated by the Right) So lower-that-living-wages clearly result in significant cost-shifting from employers to the public (i.e. taxes)
These arguments that were (quite effectively) made against WalMart a while ago (and which have recently caused WalMart to step up its employee compensation) are relevant to the current minimum wage debate.
So (and I hesitate to make moral arguments to a bunch of hedonistic motorcycle yahoos :) ) is there a moral or ethical justification for an employer paying an employee less than it takes to live; apart, you know, from "I can get away with it" ? :rolleyes:

The argument that these less-than-living-wage jobs will disappear if employers can't slough off costs to the public is NOT a justification for allowing these employers to pay less than the actual value of employing someone for 2000 hours a year. "The market" is distorted and the distortion works to the cheap employers benefit. Better that sub-living wage jobs disappear than we condemn generations of workers to taking them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFIpgqXtSnQ
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Well stated. I would hope that location based wages are part of the ethics of business, but I know that's not true. While you're statement rings true against corporate greed, what about the effects on small business and agriculture that's not subsidized?
I agree, though I would add it can be differences even in state. Such as the cost to live in Portland, OR is different then Salem, OR which is only 50 miles away (Salem you can live on current min wage, not so with Portland).

I would add that there is a third entity in which wasn't mentioned, the Employee. What item(s) should the employee contribute to wage?
I would add that there is a third entity in which wasn't mentioned, the Employee. What item(s) should the employee contribute to wage?
For those that don't... Professionalism, skill, and a willingness to actually do the job would be a good start.
Well stated. I would hope that location based wages are part of the ethics of business, but I know that's not true. While you're statement rings true against corporate greed, what about the effects on small business and agriculture that's not subsidized?
Wait, what?
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