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I'm still a relatively new rider, getting close to a year, but I'm to the point that I want to start doing some upgrades/customizing of my bike. I knew all along I wanted an SV and got a really good deal on a first gen so I took it. Now that I'm ready to put some more money into the bike, I want to make sure its the bike that I actually want.

I've heard some discussion about first gen differences like 'first gen has a more solid feel in the turns' or 'first gen has a lot smoother throttle response.' I personally cant comment on any of that since I have yet to ride a second gen.

Right now, all I have to go on is:
- I like the first gen frame
- I dont like the fact that its carbureted
- I like the more angled plastics on the second gen (even though all I will have is tail piece, tank, and belly pan)


My question for anyone willing to answer is which do you prefer and why?
 

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Well, from the perspective of another relatively new rider, I'v had my SV for 5 months and been riding since around last June. I love my 1st gen, and think it looks better than 2nd gens. While still a solid bike, it's been pretty forgiving to me in terms of learning how to do my own maintenance/work on, and I'm looking forward to making continual small changes until I have it just the way I want.

As far as the carbs vs FI goes, I don't know enough to really get into that debate, other than to say the carbs work great and I haven't had any trouble. I think it's really six to one half-dozen to the other. But, if you really want FI and less curvy plastics, then "upgrade" to a 2nd gen.
 

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My semi-random thoughts on the subjet:

I didn't want carbs either, but now I don't mind them at all. I'm not sure if this was the case with SVs, but many bikes had pretty unforgiving fuel mapping when they were first offered with EFI. Seems like a wash to me at this point.

For nakeds, I think styling is a wash between first and second gens. I really don't like the stock gauge arrangement on first gen naked, though. For faired SVs, I think the second gens look better. That said, curved vehicles tend to age much more elegantly than do edgy vehicles. Once vehicles are old enough to look old, then the edgy ones often look out of style while the curved ones often look good, despite looking old. This is easiest to notice when looking at old cars, and even when correlating design language to commanding price for good examples today.

So, the second gen looks more exciting now, but my prediction is that the first gen will age better and, thus, be more pleasant to look at once both of them are old.
 

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Good input so far. I too wanted to avoid the carbs at first, but got such a good deal, I decided to give them a shot. Havn't had any problems so far, but if I ever modify any of the exhaust or engine the thought of rejetting scares me. Also with the FI you dont have to worry so much about leaving it unridden for a month or two and having the carbs all gunked up.

Another side question, if I could just accept the carbs for what they are, how hard would it be to fit a second gen tail on the first gen frame? I'm guessing its far more work than it's worth. One reason I'd like the edgy looking body is because I'd like to eventually put one of these on the front and I think it would clash with the first gen roundness.

 

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I may be biased, but I think the 1st gen are more unique and better looking. I agree with Frogger, curves look better in the long run. I think the 1st gens will hold their value more over the years and be more collectible.
 

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I liked the 1st gen frame and was in the market for one but they were being sold quicker than I could reach the phone so when I found a 2nd gen that came on the market I actually liked the frame of it also. So I bought it, ends up I like the 2nd gen and the FI is nice, start up and go. I've only ridden small amounts on the 1st gen. You'll end up liking either one in the end. You could always be one of the first people with the 3rd gen.
 

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This is all about personal choice....

Both perform pretty much the same, any difference in ridability/stability/etc is really far too small to notice while on the bike.

I personaly HATE the looks of 1st gen SV S models...nasty looking bikes, those plastics are absolutly pewtrid....however that is simply my opinion.

Carbs vs FI...again, personal preference neither generation of the SV has any 'known' issues with its fuel delivery system.

Get what ya like, then like what you get. Nothing worse in the world than riding something you dont enjoy.
 

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My first thought is don't try and turn your first gen into a second gen. It seems like people like one more than the other and a first gen that looks like a second gen isn't going to appeal to anyone. I would look into upgrades like rebuilding the front end, upgrading brakes, nice levers/rearsets, stuff that any rider would appreciate. If you decide a little further down the road that you do want a second gen, you aren't stuck with a *******ized first gen. A clean first gen will sell easily in almost any market.

Second, it seems like carbs scare you because you have not worked on them. Not buying a carbed bike because you might have to jet it at some point is either silly or lazy. Also, FI isn't the holy grail of reliability and can often be more difficult to diagnose problems. Each have their pro's and con's. Try and find someone local that can walk you through pulling the carbs and cleaning the jets before you pass judgement on your bike.
 

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If you like the pointy(Gen2) look I think you should buy the pointy. No use buying a curvy and spending more money to make it look like a pointy. You should spend that money on other mods. I personally like the curvy because I have one and i'm biased. My friend has an 03 and he like the feel of the curvy, but likes the look of the pointy, kinda like you. In the end the difference in both bikes performance is too little to notice as some said already. It's basically up to you and what you really want.

LOL pretty much same advice as previous post :p
 

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If you decide a little further down the road that you do want a second gen, you aren't stuck with a *******ized first gen. A clean first gen will sell easily in almost any market.
Agreed... which is why I was hoping to to figure out which one I liked now while I still have a clean first gen before I go *******izing it.

bhauditech'1411729 said:
Second, it seems like carbs scare you because you have not worked on them.
Another True statement. I try to do all the work myself on my vehicles, and to this point, they have all been fuel injected. I always hear about leaving carbs sitting too long you end up with gunk in the system and they dont work right, or if you try to rejet them and need further adjustments its a pain to get fine tuned rather than just adjusting the computer (though most of what I have heard relates to cars and i'm still new to everything motorcycle) So you're probably right, I need to find someone that knows what they are doing that can help me out so I can learn before I pass judgement.
 

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The gen 1's are better. :)

Why?

The Gen I's handle better because the frame was developed by OVER.
The Carburators are no big deal - the best FI in the world works almost as good as a decent carburator. The only advantage to FI is if you change elevation a lot. Most riders don't.

Aesthetics are very personal. If you like the Gen II's looks better get the Gen II. As a new rider, you probably wont' get anywhere near the point where you'd notice the superior Gen I handling characteristics. Since you didn't list where you live, I can't advise you on the Carb's vs. FI. But assuming that you don't live in a Rocky-Mountain state, the Carbs will be perfect and will not require any attention.

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I have one of each. It is my impression that the '05 handles just a little better overall than the '02 with Conti Road Attacks on both bikes. The frame of the 2G is supposed to be stiffer and that may account for the difference, but it is not a major difference anyway. Both gens are a hoot to ride so you can't go wrong on the handling issue.

FI is a nice feature, I like the convenience of not having to deal with the enricher, but again, a minor concern. Carb work is easy so don't be afraid of doing simple re-jetting, it isn't rocket science and you will be able to get all the help you need here.

If you really like the looks of one gen over the other, that makes it easy because there isn't a great difference otherwise in care and feeding or performance. The 2G bikes look better to me with partial or full fairings than the 1G bikes but I much prefer naked anyway and think both gens naked are good looking with a slight nod to the 1G.
 

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I have one of each. It is my impression that the '05 handles just a little better overall than the '02 with Conti Road Attacks on both bikes. The frame of the 2G is supposed to be stiffer and that may account for the difference, but it is not a major difference anyway. Both gens are a hoot to ride so you can't go wrong on the handling issue.
Thats funny - I think the GenI's handle better because the frame is more compliant and handles bumpy corners better.

At least we are consistent in our observations. :)

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Naked - 1st gen ... Faired - 2nd Gen ... Switch Hitter - Gladius ...

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

J/K
 

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Currently I live in Houston TX so the elevation change is measureable in double digits. We had considered moving to colorado and may end up doing that at some point, but a lot could change between now and then, so i'm not leaving it as a 'requirement' for my bike.

Just out of curiosity, if we took a road trip to the rockies, what would I have to adjust to make my bike behave properly?

I also saw mention of someone putting a gen 2 engine in gen 1 frame, but sounds like thats a lot of work in itself. Also if anyone cruises their local junkyards, keep an eye out for one of those KTM Duke 690 headlight assemblies.... I think its going to be hard to find since its a brand new bike.

Thanks a lot for all the input, I really appreciate it. You corrected a lot of my misconceptions and clearified all the rumors I heard. I love my SV and cant see having any other kind of bike and its nice that there are so many other people out there that feel the same way.... Although i did Ride a Ninja 650R and that was fun, but the seat kept giving me a wedgie...

I've got a friend here in town that has a second gen, I'll see if he'll swap me bikes on a ride sometime and see if I can even notice a difference.
 

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Just rode my friends 2nd gen SV650S... I had hoped it would be blatently obvious which one I liked better, and now I'm just torn. The second gen seemed to fit me better (he had rear-sets though) it seemed tighter (more responsive steering and tighter suspension). I didnt like the way my elbows hit the tank when trying to turn around in a parking lot for example. When I got back on my naked 1st gen I felt like I was on a scooter...

I didnt notice a whole lot of difference in throttle response, its just that everything felt newer and more fluid on the second gen (shifting, brakes, clutch, steering) but maybe I just need some of that stuff replaced on mine, or maybe I need to tighten it up some.

Arg... that ride got me nowhere.
 

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For a road trip I probably wouldn't adjust anything on a Gen I, just ride it there and home again. If you lived there I would go to the trouble of rejetting it. The nice thing about the Gen 1's is there is lots of information about jetting to where you could just plug in the new main jets and just ride.

On any motorcycle, you should plan to replace all cables and hoses about every ten years, every piece of rubber on any motorcycle shouldn't be on the bike more than 15years. How old is a first year Gen I now?

Little things make a bike feel "tighter", new cush drive in the rear wheel, new brake lines, intake manifolds make a huge difference. New chains... All these things wear out and need to be replaced for optimum safety and handling.

One thing I really hate about Gen II's is the shape of the tank. For any kind of sport riding, the Gen II tank is just too darn tall and I have a helluva time getting my posture correct on Gen II's. Gen I's are much more posture friendly.

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I prefer the first gen simply for the way it looks. It's the original, and what I saw first. The second gen (or any later) will ever never measure up.

Carbs vs EFI? Eh, six one way, half a dozen the other. EFI is a bit better, but not a huge difference.
 

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canyonchaser said:
The gen 1's are better. :)

Why?

The Gen I's handle better because the frame was developed by OVER.

Canyonchaser, I've been meaning to ask you about this statement for more than a week. What exactly is "OVER". I can't seem to find any reference to the SV's frame develper/designer.
 
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