I have been trying to find a good pair of riding pants and I have a few questions. 1st is how bad do jeans hold up in a crash? I was looking at the Icon jeans and they really seem to only have protection in the knees. The rest is just denim. I was also looking at the Timax line and that is about the same as well. I have been considering buying a pair of padded dirt bike undershorts and knee braces to wear under regular loose fitting jeans, this seems like a pretty good combo. I have a pair cordura riding pants, and leathers, and I realize these are best, but I really don't feel comfortable walking aound a mall or a hot summer event in them. Has anyone come up with a good medium? For years I have been riding with the best jacket/gloves/boots/helmet, but I wouldn't think twice about just throwing on blue jeans or even cotton work pants on to go short distances. It is just recently that I have been feeling real vulnerable. Suggestions?