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Forest Roads on the SV?

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I've read and posted some of the other threads about dual sporting an SV and have some additional Q's.

I bought an older gen 1 SV naked model. I don't have a lot of money in it. I come from a dirt background and still ride dirt and dual sport on my KTM EXC450. Been thinking about getting a big dual sport where I can do both longer distance rides with forest roads thrown in. Some the riders around here have bikes like: KTM 990 Adventures, BMW GS 1200cc?, Triumph Tigers, and V-Stroms.

With cheaper mods, can I make my SV into a bike that will keep up with those beastly dual sports? They are mostly doing smooth dirt and gravel roads on them anyway - not real knarly stuff. The SV seems to have some advantages over them on dirt roads, and some disadvantages. Advantages - Lower seat height and a good deal lighter. Good torque. Disadvantages - Suspension travel and short wheel base.

About my bike - current mods that might help off road:
Racetech front suspension, Fox Shock rear. (Same travel, better suspension) High mount Leo Vince exhaust. Jet kit and tuning. Bar risers 1.5 - 2 inches. Braded brake lines.

Other mods considering - More dirt type handlebars, raising the front fender slightly like a scrambler, street/dirt type tires. Bash plate

Here is my bike:

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Nothing cheap is going to add the suspension travel they have on you. Other than that...it still can be ridden on dirt roads if you understand it's limitations. Look at the triumph scrambler. Throw on some Michelin Anakees, throw on a radiator guard, and maybe make a bash plate for the exhaust.
RandyO swears his SV was far better off road then his vstrom. The biggest advantage the bikes you listed have in the riding you describe is long-distance comfort and carry ginormous amounts of luggage. I suppose the only reasonable SV "mod" would be appropriate dual sport tires. I do also recall that there is a way to increase travel a bit by removing a bottom-out cone but honestly don't remember the context at all. Something for you ot try searching for.
Nothing cheap is going to add the suspension travel they have on you. Other than that...it still can be ridden on dirt roads if you understand it's limitations. Look at the triumph scrambler. Throw on some Michelin Anakees, throw on a radiator guard, and maybe make a bash plate for the exhaust.
anakees don't come in SV sizes

best off road tire I've found are Pirelli MTR60-Corsas, Distanzias come in SV sizes, and work better on the street than the MTR60s but not as well off road

suspension travel isn't as important as ground clearance, but I never had a problem carefully picking a line that avoided clearance issues

my opinion the SV is better off road than the strom cause of the weight difference, the V-strom is big & heavy, and the weight is also higher
RandyO swears his SV was far better off road then his vstrom.
His Vstrom is the 1000 so obviously it would be. Randy's a big guy and the smaller 650 would be easier to handle off-road.
Maxxdope - Are you referring to that photo of the Moto Morini? That thing looks great! Thanks for the link. Is that an SV engine?

RandyO and others - Did you guys run the stock front fender position or did you raise it a little? Will gravel tear it up? Thinking about trying some forest service roads tomorrow with the way it's currently set up.

RandyO - I appreciate your opinion on this: "my opinion the SV is better off road than the strom cause of the weight difference, the V-strom is big & heavy, and the weight is also higher" Anybody else feel the same way?


FYI - I'm not trying to make this into a full dirt bike like some have done, just a reasonable companion to the Beast dual sports. On past dual sport trips to the Rockies, we used to see some old standard streetbikes like 70's era CB750's with knobbies etc, back on the Forest roads, with some knarly adventurer riding them. I always thought that was cool.
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Maxxdope - Are you referring to that photo of the Moto Morini? That thing looks great! Thanks for the link. Is that an SV engine?
yeap!! i'm in the Scrambler thing... can't help it...

i think this came out(limited) with a 1200 motor on!!!
His Vstrom is the 1000 so obviously it would be. Randy's a big guy and the smaller 650 would be easier to handle off-road.

I've ridden both, not much difference between the 2 stroms, the 650 is slightly lighter, but still waaaay heavier than the SV. both stroms are big, the 650 is just a smaller engine, and in low speed manuvering, the Wee needs to slip the clutch more, the 1000 has a shorter wheelbase by an inch, while ground clearance is the same (6.5"), the shorter wheelbase of the 1000 gives you a higher effective ground clearance

ground clearance on the SV is only 0.4" less but 4" shorter wheelbase, giving you an equal or better effective ground clearance
yeap!! i'm in the Scrambler thing... can't help it...

i think this came out(limited) with a 1200 motor on!!!
Have you made your SV into a Scrambler yet? or do you have another kind of scrambler? I started getting fired up about all this when I saw some post like RandyO's riding through the river. I've been thinking of selling the SV and getting a big dual sport bike. Then I thought, it would be pretty cool/unique to show up in the Forest and Mountain towns with a Dual Sport or Scrambler SV. There would be kind of a uniqueness factor. And I kind of lucked out that the bike I bought had a high mount pipe, significant bar risers and suspension work. At least I'm assuming these things make it more off road worthy.

I don't want to try and fit a square peg into a round hole, but it does seem that with a little money, and a lot less than other local riders have spent on their beasts, I could have a comparable bike. Plus I love the SV motor and the light weight.
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RandyO and others - Did you guys run the stock front fender position or did you raise it a little? Will gravel tear it up? Thinking about trying some forest service roads tomorrow with the way it's currently set up.

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I did loosen the front fender bolts and tweak the fender up as much as I could then retightened, I might have gained ¼" in fender clearance, never had any problems with it, occaionally you will hear gravel scraping the inside of the fender

Pirelli MTR60s & Avon Distanzia fronts only come in 120/70s


the scorpions come in 120/70 and 160/60
and they ride descent on street... that's my next move....(i don't want to reveal my round headlight grille plans...shhh...)
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Report on the Idea:

This weekend, had a chance to ride dualsport on my EXC450 (KTM) all day Saturday, then spent all day Sunday riding street (a lot of mountain twisties) and also did a few miles of forest roads, on the SV.

It was a great weekend and was reminded once again what a fun bike the SV is to ride in the mountains. But, to me (and I realize this is a personal taste thing) it really wasn't very fun to ride in the dirt, especially with the comparison of riding a true dualsport the day before. I've ridden my buddies 950 Adventure on the street and have watched another one ride a 950 on forest roads, railing the thing. I just can't see the SV making a decent dual sport bike with just a few mods. The suspension, tire size and wheel base would make it impractical. At speed, there is a tendency to hit rocks embedded in the forest service road and deflect. This combined with lack of suspension and short wheel base could cause the tank slapper from hell.

Now - I would be perfectly comfortable on the bike going down Forest roads, when I had to, to link street routes or to get to a destination. But I would be going slow and not really riding, like I've seen guys do on big dualsports. I think the experience this weekend, showed me to keep the bike focused on what it was intended to do, and not something it wasn't.

Thanks for all the input.
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I ran these tires,when i lived up a 1/4 mile gravel road,they worked better than conti's in the loose stuff. :)
Ask about my pock marked radeator. A fender extender would be a good idea.
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anakees don't come in SV sizes
Correct. I was thinking distanzias.
my brother used Avon distanzia SM tires on his SV and I use them on my honda xr650R supermoto

great tires--80% on-road--20% off

they work great for both though-the rear wont last too many miles though if you like corner carving

but basically--the SV's can handle a lot of abuse--and on a nkaed one its easy to put MX bar and hand guards on it

just make sure you buy billet rear sets if you are gonan jump it at all--the stock ones are weak(my brother made his own out of 1/4 aluminum plate-they are rough but do the job)







this si the same bike he used to race WERA with--the forks have emulators and .90 springs IIRC--and he took the penske off and put the stock shock back on so he wouldn't blow the penske up-lol
these were at a kart track but he dual-sports his bike all over N.Ga--
you can flattrack an SV really well
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Wait...they let him run his SV on an SM layout kart track? Bet that was pretty wild.
the pics are a first for the forum .......
the SV went Mutant at last......likey ... likey....
my brother used Avon distanzia SM tires on his SV and I use them on my honda xr650R supermoto

great tires--80% on-road--20% off

they work great for both though-the rear wont last too many miles though if you like corner carving

but basically--the SV's can handle a lot of abuse--and on a nkaed one its easy to put MX bar and hand guards on it

just make sure you buy billet rear sets if you are gonan jump it at all--the stock ones are weak(my brother made his own out of 1/4 aluminum plate-they are rough but do the job)







this si the same bike he used to race WERA with--the forks have emulators and .90 springs IIRC--and he took the penske off and put the stock shock back on so he wouldn't blow the penske up-lol
these were at a kart track but he dual-sports his bike all over N.Ga--
you can flattrack an SV really well
Those SV supermoto pics are awesome! If you don't mind explain more about the kind of dirt riding your brother did on the bike. Did he do any forest roads? PS - I've test driven a kart at that track before.
I ran one set of distanzias , great on the pavement, just ok off pavement, didn't last me any longer than the Pirelli MTR60's

the MTR60s were best I could find for off pavement in SV sizes , but on pavment, in summer temps, they get greasey & overheat and wear out fast, went thru a set in one week once, less than 1000 miles, in winter, on cold pavement, I got 3500 miles or so
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