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ole radar roy has found a way to make money after his law enforcement career...cant say that i blame him but it is marketing indeed,with the intention of earning a living......the bottom line is this......no matter what type of modern radar detector you have,traffic conditions,modern speed detection device used by cops,etc. if a cop knows what he is doing and follows the way he is trained then a radar detector is pretty much useless.cops just like anyone else get lazy and dont turn it off and on and do half ass work which is what will make a detector somewhat feasible.a good officer who is focused on the job at hand can beat it every time both with his radar unit and his eyeballs/training working in unison.
 

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I'll agree with you there. Especially if they have a laser gun in hand...those things get ya fast if used correctly!
 

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ole radar roy has found a way to make money after his law enforcement career...cant say that i blame him but it is marketing indeed,with the intention of earning a living......the bottom line is this......no matter what type of modern radar detector you have,traffic conditions,modern speed detection device used by cops,etc. if a cop knows what he is doing and follows the way he is trained then a radar detector is pretty much useless.cops just like anyone else get lazy and dont turn it off and on and do half ass work which is what will make a detector somewhat feasible.a good officer who is focused on the job at hand can beat it every time both with his radar unit and his eyeballs/training working in unison.
Agreed.

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...if a cop knows what he is doing and follows the way he is trained...
Good thing for us detector users, this doesn't happen all the time. :thumbsup:
 

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Key concept here is IF YOU ARE THE ONLY VEHICLE on the road.

The most effective trick I have used (worthless for Air Enforcement) is to let a speeder
stay about a quarter mile or more in front of me.

When he gets zapped, my detector does come on.

Thank you sir! May I please have another!

It took me a couple of speeding tickets to realize that the absolute worst time to
speed is when I am alone on the road.

1. Stay behind, let the hare do the finding for you.
2. Never speed when you are alone on the highway.
3. Never be a pack leader. (see number 1)
4. Give yourself room to slow down to legal or less than 10 mph over the speed limit.

That last one is for the ones that are doing a ton on a road and expect the cop
is not going to see the blue smoke from the tires for you to slow down.
 

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Continuing on the discussion, I know guess my escort X50 has saved me from some of the 'lazy' cops. But AFC, as an active officer what do you do? Are you a traffic cop who spends all day dishing out tickets and citations for driving infractions? Or are you on patrol just keeping trouble down, or doing inside work behind a desk like detective work? If you are a traffic cop I would like to hear more about 'protocall' on speeding etc. Seeing how we all own SV's, we are all brothers at one level :D.

But back to my original post question about hearing my radar detector. I would like to HEAR it and not just see it. I have looked at the HARD system, and that's quite expansive. Over the summer in one of my physics labs I could probably rig something up like that. But audio alerts I would prefer due to the different chimes for different radar frequencies. For the price of a HARD system, I could pick up a pair of etymotic or shure headphones that isolate the noise like my custom ear plugs do.

I just got back from radio shack with some equipment like RandyO suggested, and I dont think itll work. For $11 I picked up a small speaker (apparently used for replacement speakers in portable telephones), a connector to connect it to that has a 1/8" female jack on it, and a 6 foot cord with 1/8" male ends. I hooked it up just to it would work, plugged it in just to see how loud it would be. I was a little dissapointed at the lack of noise. So, i put my earplugs in, held the speaker right next to my ear and I don't think this option will be loud enough to over wind noise :confused3:. I may try and see if they have a louder speaker.

But, the more and more I am leaning to a Shure or Etymotic solution, preparing for the autocom upgrade eventually.
 

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I use a chatterbox system. I originally got it so that the wife and I could make fun of people without gear while we're riding, and in case we ever lost sight of each other, but it turns out I use it mostly for my Ipod. The unit I have has two aux inputs, one for the ipod, and for what ever else you want. The speakers mount in the helmet, and if the second input kicks in, the first gets turned off automatically. I wear earplugs and have no trouble hearing my tunes at freeway speeds. On a use note, I bought the mic extender cable, and keep the reciever/transmitter in my tank bag. I head the head unit gets heavy after a while. The main drawback of this is how expensive it is.
 

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well speedy steve...as of 60 days ago i resigned after 10+years of service.....i have done a little of it all...graduated top of my class at the academy,started as a radar certified patrol officer that did traffic duty and answered calls for service.from there i promoted to f.t.o.(field training officer) where i trained new recruits fresh out of the academy,from there i promoted to sgt and commanded a shift of men daily and conducted training in aerosol weapons,expandable baton and radar operation/speed estimation and got officers trained and certieid in its use. after this time i was made a narcotics investigator and worked narcotics interdiction on the interstate and highways of the county and from there i was promoted to criminal investigator for a short period and then onto chief deputy and that is the position i resigned from.i now work for probation/parole and prior to street work i was employed by the dept. of correction.this type of work is all i know......what "protocol" do you wish to know sir?....i can tell you from the state and areas i worked and some states may differ slightly but most all police training in traffic enforcement is the same nationwide....how may i help you sir?
 

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speedysteve said:
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. I was a little dissapointed at the lack of noise. So, i put my earplugs in, held the speaker right next to my ear and I don't think this option will be loud enough to over wind noise :confused3:. I may try and see if they have a louder speaker.

But, the more and more I am leaning to a Shure or Etymotic solution, preparing for the autocom upgrade eventually.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062406&cp=2032058.2032230.2032266&allCount=19&fbn=Price%2FUnder+%243.99&fbc=1&fr=StorePrice%2FRSK%2F00000000%2F00000399&parentPage=family


this is the speaker I use

your radar detector may not have enuf power to drive a speaker and you may have to put in a small inline amp like a "boosteroo " (I think that's what one common brand is called
 

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?...sure.....is it actually practical and effective on the roadways.....on very,very limited instances such as when an officer is watching someone else....thats really helpful isnt it?
get over it, law enforcement except on a very elite basis does not have superior technology to the public, usually inferior as local PD bugets are limited, equipment does not keep pace with what is available, nor does training

radar detectors are very effective
 

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you guys need to do some research on how lidar and radar actually work in a speed detection device such as police radar and how it also works with common "radar detectors". you also need to understand the differences in moving and stationary radar units that police use. i have been a cop for the last decade and also am a certified radar instructor. do you honestly think that cops just ride around with their radars on so detectors will pick them up everywhere they go?.....no,they do what we refer to as "bumping".....you ride with it in standby and when you see a vehicle you want to verify speed you "bump" it on and back off...you get the speed and have the unit back off before a detector can even pick it up and warn you. we have tested this numerous times. cops know how to get around stuff like that.you think they have never thought about ways to defeat detection equipment?
That or they wait on the down side of a an over pass or hill and nail you as you come over the top and around corners too. Radar cops aren't stupid and they know where to sit to catch speeders and mask their radar to other oncoming drivers. I live on a speed trap street moto cops love to work due to the shade trees in the grassy median. You can't even see them or their bikes in the dark shade before you see the cop walking out in the middle of the road to wave you down. And I haven't even begun to talk about the Christmas Elfs and Leprechans to watch out for.

==> http://www.wftv.com/video/10483529/detail.html
==> http://www.wftv.com/video/11261497/detail.html

Note in the second video they were clocking the speeds from 1100' feet away that's nearly 1/4 mile. And in both vids the laser gun was trigger activated for what 1sec before it locked in on the speed. Good luck slowing down.

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Yeah, I am pretty sure that is the case Randy. I picked up I think that exact same speaker, 8 Ohm, 0.1W, about 1.125" dia. I dont think any speaker will work with my setup unless it has an amplifier in line with it.

I think headphones are the only way to go, so I need something with great noise isolation. Here are some koss headphones with etymonic 3-flange eartips http://cgi.ebay.com/Koss-the-Plug-Etymotic-ER4-Noise-Isolation-tip-hybrid_W0QQitemZ290107427145QQihZ019QQcategoryZ88762QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
says these can reduced around 35dB (probably 30dB on a good day) which I think are in par with my custom earplugs if I remember correctly.
 

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AFC - I guess some general quesitons about law enforcement and speeding would be...

Are all police cars equipped with speed detection devices? I know here in Tucson I see many car partolling the street and they seem to be fighting crime rather than wasting their time with pesky traffic violaters.

If so, is the average police car/policeman who is on deputy told or assigned to look out for traffic violators, or are they mainly attending to a call of emergency/need?

What is the difference in speed detection devices in police cars found within cities, sheriffs vehicals, motorcycle law enforcement, and highway patrol vehicles? I am looking for what kinda of radar or laser gun they have and what frequency they are using.

What percentage of a department is assigned to fight traffic violators? I see a lot of cops in tucson, but its only the motorcycle cops who seem to tackle the traffic offenders. Driving a bike, the last time I got pulled over the guy was understanding or something, cause he let me off with a slap on the hand. But many of my other friends have has quite the opposite experience with motorcycle cops.

When can warnings be issued in place of a ticket? I got on in my car a few back when I lived in Indiana, but the speeding ticket i was issued here in AZ I pleaded for a warning, but the (insert negative adjective here) motorcycle cop's attitude was 'why waste my time in pulling you over I'm only going to give you a warning'.

I am assuming lots of these answer depend on the jurisdiction being inquired about, but maybe some general answers can give me some insight.

Know anything about CHP and thier attitude about speeders out there? I lived with a few californians and all they could say was hate towards those guys. I am going on a ride up to the redwood national park in a few weeks and don't know what kinda trouble I may get into over there with those guys.

And I guess my last question, and be honest...quotas. I just want to hear it again from someone who is/was on the inside. I know they had them back home, but does this only apply to traffic cops? Back there the town was small and I think everyone kinda did everyjob, there was no separation between regualr patrolling and traffic a-ho..., i mean traffic police. So, I am pretty sure everyone had a quota.

Those are a few quesitons that will help me, and maybe give some other riders insight into our nemesis, your last employer. Feel free to add in anything else that may help avoiding you boys in blue!
 

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randyO....sorry,but you dont have a clue.......now on to speedy steve,...all police cars are not equipped.....the "average" officer in a "marked car" for the most prt is free to work traffic if they have the time and desire.they can pretty much do what they wanna do unless otherwise assigned to a special detail.......the speed detection equipment used by counties,cities or state law enforcement are from the same companies and are the same items in most cases.there are many,many different ones available......as far as the percentage goes it all depends on each individual community/neighborhood and its needs/problems.some areas may have high dedication to it and others may have no time for it.you never know.......i hate california as it should be declared a different nation,especially san francisco...lol.........i have never worked or been associated with an agency that has "quotas" but i have heard of them on a very limited basis from a few places over the years.....in most cases,no quotas,in some cases there are....depends on dept administration.........to avoid the boys in blue one piece of advice......obey traffic laws...lol
 
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