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So I always ride with my custom earplugs in to keep the ride quiet, but I just made a mount and put up my escort 8500 x50 radar detector. I can't hear the thing over 40mph, and the earphones I have and have tried and returned from best buy so far haven't been that great. I tried the el cheapo JVC marshmellow things, recommended by a friend and returned them next day.

After doing my research, It looks like my options are Shure E2C with my Best Buy gift cards, some cheap helmet speakers off of ebay, or custom plugs made to fit earphones from a local here in Tucson.

If I get the high quality noise insolating earbuds it would only be for their noise insolating feature seeing how I am just listening for beeps. No music for me, riding time is time to think things out or drag knee...

The helmet speakers on ebay are less than $20 and assure sound up to 80mph. I would be wearing my custom earplugs of course, and am wondering if these little guys produce enoung sound so I can hear the beep at triple digits. Anyone have any experience with these? I know when I'll need to hear these speakers, the speed will most likely be above 80mph.

I am thinking the Shure E2C setup seems decent. It may lack bass but not a feature I will miss. Plus if I ever decide to move up to the autocom system and use more than just the left earphone for the radar detector, these may be a good set of noise insolating headphones that could let me hear my passenger or fellow riders clearly. Do these come with the triple silicone inserts?

And there's always the custom earplug with whatever generic headphone going into them. This may be a decent setup to, but from this website
http://www.averysound.com/as.shooting_range_earpiece.html
which is basically the same products I use they say they can reduce UP TO 28dB. This is quite lower than the Etymotic advertise as 35-42dB reduction. I am sure the Shures are along the mid 30dB range as well. From reading other posts sounds asif the foam insert reduces the most noise.

I think a member RandyO said he made a speaker for the left ear for one of his detectors? If you read this, how did that work out? Was it loud enough to penetrate through earplugs at high speeds you think?

Any opinions will help guys and gals!
 

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Repeat after me .... earplugs do not deafen you.

They filter out lower frequencies that damage the hearing.

So wearing earplugs in a helmet will not kill the shriek of
a radar detector if you got a speaker in there.

Note that I said speaker instead or ear bud.

I would NEVER put a radar detector into an ear bud ...
unless you like sticking an icepick in your ears.
 

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Pic of your mount? I'm starting to plan something like this out as well...thinking about using the threaded mirror holes I no longer use thanks to my 3rd eye mirrors.

And to answer your query, I'd recommend a speaker in your helmet though I have no experience. I think that's what I'm gonna do.
 

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The mount isnt complete yet, but I will post one if it's current status if you'd like. I need to put another wider aluminium plate at the end of the 1 inch wide mount as a platform for the detector. It sits on there steady right now with some industrial strength velcrow, but it needs a wider platform for stability. BUT, you have to tell me how to post a picture :dontknow:.
 

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etymotic er-6is
 

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If you pick up the Aerostich catalog, or just go to their site, they have various radar detector addons. They had ear buds, but also had LED warning lights that you can mount inside your helmet within your peripheral vision, and it communicates wirelessly with the detector. Pretty cool.
 

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If the cop is using laser your detector is moot.
 

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I have the sure e2c and they are nice but i don't think they are your best bet for use with helmet since they are larger and stick out much further than some other shure, etymotics, and even sony "in ear" buds. I honestly have never tried to put my helmet on over them but they are not, for instance, that comfortable with your head resting on a pillow.
 

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no matter if its x band, k band, or laser radar both stationary or moving,a radar detector is useless.save your money and just dont excessively speed.when they go off you are already got.
 

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no matter if its x band, k band, or laser radar both stationary or moving,a radar detector is useless.save your money and just dont excessively speed.when they go off you are already got.
you sound like a cop to me :laughing4:

I know better


to answer the original poster's question, I can't with certainty cause I have a Valentine and not an Escort

the V-1 requires the remote adaptor to connect an audio cable, the remote adaptor has 2 jacks, one for earphone impedence (on the front) and one for speaker impedence (on the back)

I use a small 1¼ wafer speaker from radio shack ($2.99) that I connect to the rear jack, plenty of volume generally run it about 1/3 on the volume control, if I plug it into the front jack, I can barely hear it at full volume, but an earphone is good volume from that jack

I'm not sure if the audio output from the Escort is designed for speaker or earphone
 

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I have helmet speakers and I wear regular earplugs. I don't have any problem hearing music in my helmet--long as whatever is attached to the speakers has sufficient volume. It's easy because I don't have to worry about losing or trashing a $90-$500 pair of custom earplugs...

FWIW

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acf1073 said:
no matter if its x band, k band, or laser radar both stationary or moving,a radar detector is useless.save your money and just dont excessively speed.when they go off you are already got.
that is a dumb statement. radar detectors aren't meant to detect the radar bouncing off you, it's meant to detect the radar bouncing off the cars ahead of you so you know to slow down.
 

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Matt -
What kind of speakers do you have in your helmet?

And BTW, the radar detector is equipped to catch laser/LIDAR as well and works well. The radar works well in advance of the radar gun's range so I have plenty of warning before I am in his grasp. Laser on the other hand is triggered when you are within the range, and usually they have go you. BUT, I have been saved by advanced warning on LIDAR as well. People may be against detectors, but you obviously have never used one, bought one of crap quality or don't know how to use it properly.

thanks for the advice guys! I may try and rig up a speaker for me left ear...
 

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you guys need to do some research on how lidar and radar actually work in a speed detection device such as police radar and how it also works with common "radar detectors". you also need to understand the differences in moving and stationary radar units that police use. i have been a cop for the last decade and also am a certified radar instructor. do you honestly think that cops just ride around with their radars on so detectors will pick them up everywhere they go?.....no,they do what we refer to as "bumping".....you ride with it in standby and when you see a vehicle you want to verify speed you "bump" it on and back off...you get the speed and have the unit back off before a detector can even pick it up and warn you. we have tested this numerous times. cops know how to get around stuff like that.you think they have never thought about ways to defeat detection equipment?
 

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I've watched my dad do that in his cop car a few times - but none-the-less, a radar detector is not a beat all device (unless you get a valentine, which is near perfect). If you know what your doing and understand how the things work, they can save you in the end. If your on a road all by yourself with no cars in front or behind, its not going to save you. If you have quite a few cars in front of you all going slow, it wont save you because the cop will hold that switch and keep his radar off like acf was saying...but in most situations where you have traffic going different speeds and a decent amount of cars out, it will save you. I've used radar detectors in my vehicles for at least the last 9 years and I've gotten 1 speeding ticket and that was on my bike, and I speed quite often. I'm not dumb about it most of the time though, but if I'm late or want to get to my buddies place 150 miles away, i'll drive 85 or 90 the whole way. Say what you will, but my Acura going 90 down the interstate is safer than an old beat up ford pickup going 60 down the road.
 

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acf1073 said:
you guys need to do some research on how lidar and radar actually work in a speed detection device such as police radar and how it also works with common "radar detectors". you also need to understand the differences in moving and stationary radar units that police use. i have been a cop for the last decade and also am a certified radar instructor. do you honestly think that cops just ride around with their radars on so detectors will pick them up everywhere they go?.....no,they do what we refer to as "bumping".....you ride with it in standby and when you see a vehicle you want to verify speed you "bump" it on and back off...you get the speed and have the unit back off before a detector can even pick it up and warn you. we have tested this numerous times. cops know how to get around stuff like that.you think they have never thought about ways to defeat detection equipment?

This is a blanket statement, and you know it.

Like others have said, there are times when radar detectors are helpful and times when they are not. From radar/laser guns to radar detectors to radar detector detecting detectors, it's a cat and mouse game of technology that no one is winning. (Also a blanket statement :) )

But really, if you know what situations your detector is helpful to you, then it can help you avoid tickets, but if you're hauling tail down an empty highway, then yeah, you're caught. Traffic is your friend in this respect, as well as buildings, trees, and obstructions.
 

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of course traffic is your friend,but it aint because of a radar/lidar being used. its because the odds are with you in numbers any day of the week.they cant stop every car. if your radar detector is going off its because the officer is looking at some other vehicle anyway and his focus is on that vehicle and/or maybe he forgot to turn his radar unit onto standby. i have only had one ticket in my life and guess what,ive never used a radar detector and my ticket was while on my bike. radar is not the only evidence officers use to write citations. radar is used to confirm what you visually observe. officers are trained in speed estimation and in order to be certified to use them you must be able to consistently estimate vehicle speed within 5 mph. the use of radar is used to "confirm" that. an officer does not need a radar to issue speeding citations. i have seen a great many citations issued and stand in legal proceedings because of officer testimony and training. will a radar detect radar?...sure.....is it actually practical and effective on the roadways.....on very,very limited instances such as when an officer is watching someone else....thats really helpful isnt it?
 

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i got the valentineOne radar and i think it's great. it has saved me enough to make it worth it to me. i wish i got one sooner. it surely won't save you from every situation, but it certainly helps you avoid being the cop's next focus of attention as you pass by.

about finding a good way to notice your radar going off, have you considered the H.A.R.D. system? it's a little light in your helmet that blinks instead of dealing with the noise. im not sure of the price though.
 

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of course traffic is your friend,but it aint because of a radar/lidar being used. its because the odds are with you in numbers any day of the week.they cant stop every car. if your radar detector is going off its because the officer is looking at some other vehicle anyway and his focus is on that vehicle and/or maybe he forgot to turn his radar unit onto standby. i have only had one ticket in my life and guess what,ive never used a radar detector and my ticket was while on my bike. radar is not the only evidence officers use to write citations. radar is used to confirm what you visually observe. officers are trained in speed estimation and in order to be certified to use them you must be able to consistently estimate vehicle speed within 5 mph. the use of radar is used to "confirm" that. an officer does not need a radar to issue speeding citations. i have seen a great many citations issued and stand in legal proceedings because of officer testimony and training. will a radar detect radar?...sure.....is it actually practical and effective on the roadways.....on very,very limited instances such as when an officer is watching someone else....thats really helpful isnt it?
Not trying to hijack, or to be argumentative, but there are a few things over looked here. One of them is what I experienced on my way back from lunch today. I was approaching a hill on a 4-lane, and my detector indicated a strengthening "Ka" signal. It alerted me to an approching patrol car with his radar not on Standby on the other side of the hill driving in my direction. I slowed, we met and passed each other. Many officers in my city leave their radar on (especially motocops).

You can't estimate speed if you can't see the car yet, and this is where the money comes in. Generally speaking, the "better" detectors have stronger antennas than others. I always got tickets with el cheapo units, but when I sunk the funds into a Beltronics RX65, more times than before, I am alerted to radar before I am actually visible to it.

I know you have more experience with this than the rest of us, but I was once issued a ticket on speed estimation because the officer wasn't running radar (I only knew this because of my detector) and it did not hold up in court. You're also paying for peace of mind.


What I would like some info on is POP radar. What can you tell us about that? I have read it has the capabilities to track multiple vehicles simultaneously and record their motions (i.e. slowing, speeding up). I know detectors are useless against that for the most part. I have also heard that POP requires two parts, one being a dopplar tone, which most officers turn off because it is annoying. I may be way off here, but supposedly, when this half is turned off it reduces the accuracy of the speed estimate. Heard of this?
 
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