Do You Rev-Match? Mixed Reviews

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Flash Yellow

Discussion Starter · 13 d ago

MotoJitsu explains that rev-matching is not necessary and you do not need to blip the throttle to match the rpm of the engine when engine breaking. The pulsating of the brakes while blipping the throttle will upset the front end and makes this practice counter-intuitive.
I am going to have to play around with this to see what works and feels good.
What do you all think?

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Blue on two wheels

· #21 · 12 d ago

St.Dusan said:
How do you guys revmatch during hard braking? I find it really difficult to be smooth with the throttle while on the brake... On the street i mostly downshift one gear before a corner and brake into it, and sv has enough torque to pull even from slower corners and lower rpm.

It depends on your style of riding. Some break really hard and downshift towards the beginning of the corner. Others downshift progressively as they approach the corner. I personally downshift as I am breaking before the corner. I find it helps to use only one or two fingers on the brake lever. And I'm pretty light on my front brakes it's my rear brakes that I use More heavily. Everything's got to be smooth One motion after the other. It may just take a lot of more practice also to get it smooth. I know I was all over the place when I first started to ride spiritedly.

Soulspinner

· #22 · 12 d ago

MattTriesToDoThings said:
I've been training myself out of revmatching on track as I've found I'm a lot smoother feathering out the clutch instead.

I'm doing the same after watching one of his videos 3 years ago. Not on track, out in the twisties. It was hard to let go of revmatching. I remember feathering for the first time on a familiar road it was confusing getting my speed adjusted before entering the corner. It's all about waiting for the right speed before downshifting.
Now i revmatch once in a while just because it feels good!

1neeto

· #23 · 12 d ago

Thing about those self-proclaimed arbiters of technique (motojitsu) or of safety (Dan the fireman) is that they’re not always right. They’re just expressing their opinion, and using their so called influencer status to gain more viewers. Nobody will ever convince me that blipping the throttle is unnecessary, especially on a stock sv without at least a slipper clutch. The sv has a lot of engine brake so IMO it’s smoother to blip the throttle than slip the clutch while braking and downshifting. Just like anything you have to practice practice practice. Look at motogp or SBK from before the rider aids, everyone was blipping the throttle.

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DylonND

· #24 · 12 d ago

My first street bike was a 93 CBR1000F and it loved rev matching, sometimes I miss my carburetor. You can't beat a perfect rev match right before you dive into a corner. It's all about feel and every bike is different.

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MattTriesToDoThings

· #25 · 12 d ago

Soulspinner said:
I'm doing the same after watching one of his videos 3 years ago. Not on track, out in the twisties. It was hard to let go of revmatching. I remember feathering for the first time on a familiar road it was confusing getting my speed adjusted before entering the corner. It's all about waiting for the right speed before downshifting.
Now i revmatch once in a while just because it feels good!

I only do it on the track. I'm getting a lot better at compartmentalizing track riding and street riding. I had to teach myself out of using the rear brake too because it was affecting my ability to position myself correctly for right handed corners. But if I jump on my VStrom or any other street bike, I'm still rev-matching and using the rear brake.

It's got me thinking more about taking the plunge and going to GP shift because there are certain corners (Blackhawk Farms 4 to 5 and 6 to 6A are two examples) where I'm having to stand the bike up a bit mid corner to get my foot into position to shift and I know it costs time. But I'm already rewiring so many different things now that I'm thinking GP Shift is going to wait another year.

I'm not suggesting not to rev-match. I'd do it 100% of the time on the street. I had just asked some quick people about how they were managing rev-matching during racing and got the suggestion to try feathering out instead, and it seems better for me. If I hit a plateau and thought it was holding me back though, I'd revisit.

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Straticus

· #26 · 12 d ago

I always rev-match. I like smooth fast riding and don't like ramming the drive-train. Less wear and tear on the Drive sprockets and chain. I like the feeling of being slick. As I ride preemptively I rarely have to brake hard for normal road use.

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1neeto

· #27 · 11 d ago

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VFR4Lee

· #28 · 9 d ago

Every time I have been to a racetrack and stood near a turn entry, every rider goes blip blip blip down through the gears one at a time. It sounds cool. Easier on the bike and you. Just do it.

I will stick to watching rock and roll on youtube.

St.Dusan

· #29 · 9 d ago

I've curated my youtube as best as I could to filter out clowns like motojitsu. Fast Eddie? Cringe...

I don't think blippers would be a thing if rev matching wasn't important.
Of course, if you're bad, it's probably better to feather the clutch...

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Soulspinner

· #30 · 9 d ago

The nickname Fast Eddie is his dads nickname. He uses it to remember his dad and says often it has nothing to do with him being fast.
Jason Pridmore teaches "fanning the clutch" same thing as feathering. Do you think he is a "bad" teacher/rider?

St.Dusan

· #31 · 9 d ago

I didn't even say for motojitsu that he is a bad rider. Some of his slow maneuver stuff I watched, and liked. What i don't like about him is his "know it all" demeanor. Again, just my opinion, he could be a saint to others.

As for fanning the clutch, I'm no racer, but I could see where it could be useful. But saying that revmatching is not needed anywhere is just wrong.

Didn't know the story about the nickname, sorry. I just read some of the previous posts here.

Soulspinner

· #32 · 9 d ago (Edited)

St.Dusan said:
What i don't like about him is his "know it all" demeanor. Again, just my opinion, he could be a saint to others.

From what I am hearing lately your not alone.

Soulspinner

· #33 · 8 d ago (Edited)

Dan Netting has lots of track time.
Here he is explaining the "slipping technique", same as feathering, fanning that he uses on the track exclusively. Just like blibbing it takes practice.

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VFR4Lee

· #34 · 8 d ago

Interesting explanation. I guess I do some version of slipping at lower speeds, and blipping at higher speeds and RPMs. I had my fun with track days, probably not doing those again.

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Soulspinner

· #35 · 8 d ago

[QUOTE="VFR4Lee, post: 5394921, Bleeping is no extra charge. If you don't like it, cover your blanking ears!

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That's a must, hahaha

golden chicken

· #36 · 8 d ago

Ken Condon, moto-journalist, rider coach, and author of Riding In The Zone, slips the clutch on track too.

He explains at 3:45

And here is a wider angle so you can see what he does exactly

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Troy Jollimore

· #37 · 8 d ago

I’m with @VFR4Lee . I’m never in any particular hurry, so I usually do the fan/feather thing of the clutch. That’s what it, and synchros, are for. If I’m doing a particularly big transition, especially given the SV’s engine braking, I’ll do a ‘blip’ (usually bring the revs up and hold to where I think they’ll be in the new gear). Would probably be the same if I were really riding/driving ‘in anger’, but that never really happens.

golden chicken

· #38 · 8 d ago

Troy Jollimore said:
I’m with @VFR4Lee . I’m never in any particular hurry, so I usually do the fan/feather thing of the clutch. That’s what it, and synchros, are for. If I’m doing a particularly big transition, especially given the SV’s engine braking, I’ll do a ‘blip’ (usually bring the revs up and hold to where I think they’ll be in the new gear). Would probably be the same if I were really riding/driving ‘in anger’, but that never really happens.

No synchros on a bike 😉

Troy Jollimore

· #39 · 8 d ago

Was sort of including cars with that as well…

mad8vskillz

· #40 · 7 d ago

St.Dusan said:
How do you guys revmatch during hard braking? I find it really difficult to be smooth with the throttle while on the brake... On the street i mostly downshift one gear before a corner and brake into it, and sv has enough torque to pull even from slower corners and lower rpm.

no need to be smooth w the throttle, you just blip. the size of the blip almost doesnt matter since you only need a couple thousand rpm

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