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You have to have a measure of self-control and maturity when driving/riding on the street. Yes, your bike/car is capable of a certain speed through that section, but you should probably take it at 80% or less.

The basic principles that allow you to drive or ride fast are all still at work when you are not driving or riding fast, you just have more margin for error, and that awareness of the principles can help to save you if you suddenly need the last 20% or you screw up and use 21% and start sliding.
Quite true. Unfortunately, some riders lack that level of maturity.

On a main street near where I live, I see riders doing wheelies and riding at exceedingly irresponsible speeds. I'm told that the police won't even try to do anything about it since they can't catch them.
 

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Unfortunately, so do many drivers--especially teen male drivers who have taken 'advanced' driving courses. They account for a large portion of the statistic of drivers who crash after extra training.
 

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Here is an article which shows that car driver training intended to increase skill in handling the car actually results in a higher accident rate:

http://www.advanceddrivers.com/info_00401.htm

Actually, this is not new knowledge; I have been aware of it for about 15 years. Probably the conclusion is valid for car drivers, but that does not necessarily mean that it is valid for motorcycle riders. Even so, it is something that should be considered.

Although the conclusion is generally valid for car drivers, I still think that car drivers should learn what to do if a car skids on ice. In winter driving, even very careful drivers can get into a skid and being able to respond effectively should reduce the risk of a crash. That is different from being able to negotiate a slalom course at the highest possible speed which is a skill that cannot be maintained without frequent practice.
 

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see sig... the msf arc had a nice diagram that basically explained that if you increase your risk level, the gains from the newfound knowledge are minimal, and the speeds are now highter. The idea is you should continue to ride in a sane manner, but now your margin for error is highter.
 

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Thx for sharing.

I'd LOVE to attend YCRS or Rickdickulous Racing. But it's like 1-2K.
I am teaching a Total Control Level I Class at Mt. SAC in April and its only $350
 

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Just to highlight this topic again...

For additional information, a new article was just released on motor cyclist...

BRAKE CHECK: TIPS ON HOW TO AVOID CRASHING | STREET SAVVY
How will YOU handle an emergency braking situation?
By Ken Condon Illo: Rich Lee Posted June 17, 2015


When faced with an imminent threat, we tend to freeze in our tracks as every byte of brain bandwidth is used to grasp what’s going on. After critical moments pass, we finally realize that we must get this motorcycle stopped—now! Unfortunately, our primitive survival instincts are not very refined, so we tend to stab, grab, and stomp on the brakes. The problem is that abrupt, panic-fueled braking often leads to the sound of smashing plastic and metal.

While it’s important to get your brake pads in contact with the rotors as quickly as possible, it’s equally important to introduce this brake force progressively. Otherwise, you risk skidding and falling. The combined weight of bike and rider shifts forward under braking, which presses the front tire into the pavement for maximum grip and stopping power. Without this load transfer, the front tire can easily skid. Squeezing, not grabbing, the front brake allows time for this weight shift to occur and the front tire to bite the pavement hard.

Knowing about managing traction while braking is important, but will you be able to apply this knowledge in the heat of battle? Do you think you can apply maximum brake force while staring at a Buick’s bumper? Most riders assume (or hope) they have the chops to pull off an emergency stop. But unless they have the training, they will likely fail. Are you any different?

Practicing correct emergency braking technique has three purposes: 1) Experience what extreme braking feels like. 2) Learn to apply the brakes to their maximum potential without losing traction. 3) Engrain this technique in your mind and muscles so you will perform correctly even in desperate conditions. In other words, you must train so your survival instincts don’t kill you.

Here’s what you do: Find a clean parking lot where you can safely accelerate up to about 20 mph. Apply both brakes (yes, both brakes) firmly without grabbing or stomping. Apply more front brake-lever pressure as you slow; squeeze then squeeze more. You’ll feel your eyeballs press forward in your skull when you get it right. If you skid the front tire, ease lever pressure immediately. If you skid the rear tire, you can release it if you’re more or less upright. Use a bit less rear-brake pressure next time. Rinse and repeat until the act of emergency braking is engrained and second nature.
Many sportbike riders discover that it’s easy to skid the rear tire on their short-wheelbase machines, so they choose to avoid the rear brake. But the rear brake provides a useful amount of brake force and also increases chassis stability. The trick to preventing a rear-tire skid is to gradually release pressure as the load pitches forward. On the racetrack, extreme braking force and forward load transfer unloads the rear tire enough to make the rear brake ineffective, which is why most racers and trackday riders don’t use the rear brake.

With all this talk about skidding tires, what about ABS? Just because your bike has ABS doesn’t mean you’re excused from practice! Yes, antilock braking systems can help maintain control and virtually eliminate the risk of skidding, but they don’t apply the brakes for you. That’s why you need to practice because a surprising number of riders whose machines have ABS still fail to use their brakes hard enough to avoid a collision.
Since the need to use emergency-braking techniques is relatively rare, most riders aren’t very good at it. Regular parking-lot practice will help you master the emergency-braking technique and provide you the opportunity to discover your bike’s full braking potential. You’ll soon become better prepared to unleash the awesome braking power available to you.
 

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Great post. I'm a noob on a motorcycle but have been riding scooters for years and brake in turns almost every ride. Granted I do the majority of the braking before I enter a turn, but many scenarios don't really allow for that.
 

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I love this, echoing my thoughts so much. Experience is a great teacher but experience based on good logic and training by experts is the best! Incidentally, I'd rather fly in small planes with a pilot who has crashed one, he knows his limits better and has probably become way more cautious and now understands better what to avoid.....same with bikes.
 

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Before I started riding, I took a msf vourse and they told us over and over "get all the braking done before the turn." When i started riding, i began to use the brake as needed in a turn and always keeping in mind that there is only "100 points of grip available". As long ad you make micro-adjustments, I don't see a problem with braking mid-corner.

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