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So he jumped the GOP ship. he says his party had moved too far to the right and that hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians have left teh party. According to somebody on the radio this AM, only one in 5 Americans identify themselves as Republicans. With the exception of the Gentleladies from Maine, the Republican Party seems to have shrunk itself down to the bitter South and empty West. And it's losing support there.

Isn't there something useful the Republican Party can assign itself to do aside from driving up Rush Limbaugh's ratings?
 

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I jumped over a while ago. Independent is the way to go. (hey, that rhymes).
But the south is not "bitter". I think there is a sort of stereotype going around (maybe politically motivated) of anyone from the south being a. Stupid and b. a republican. Most of the people I know are neither.
 

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I was a Democrat till I started to pull a real pay check after I graduated from College... California's democrats were just some of the most hypocritical people I've ever met ... they claim to be "progressive" but they still supported Prop 22 in droves. But I also knew I wasn't a Republican ... crap, in the end I just didn't want someone telling me what to do with my money (i.e. democrats) or what to do with my morals (i.e. republicans), so I found the middle ground after listening a lot to Larry Elder ... I became a Libertarian ... I read the Federalist Papers and got a better understanding of the Constitution which lead me to believe even more that both parties have been fleecing the American people to the benefit of their party and to simply keep them in power and money.

These guys switch parties when they see it benefit them ... back in Hawaii where I grew up, a bunch of Democrats switched parties in the mid eighties so that they could get on the ballot after they had lost the primaries.

I personally would like to see every one of these senators sent home packing and replaced.
 

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I think there is a sort of stereotype going around (maybe politically motivated) of anyone from the south being a. Stupid and b. a republican. Most of the people I know are neither.
Fair point. But many of the visible southern Republican political leadership fit that stereotype. Folks like McConnell and Cornyn are whining that Obama isn't doing what THEY want him to; but seem oblivious to the fact that the national electorate did vote for a "Change." And their vocal opposition is still pretty tired rhetoric. While we can argue endlessly what that change was for, it's clear that the "change" was against the prevailing Republican set of policies, both social and foreign.

I would like there to be a strong, principled Republican party, just as I wanted there to be a strong principled Democratic party while they were in opposition. Clearly the Dems proved themselves spineless, and the GOP lost the last election as much as the Dems won it. I appreciate fiscal responsibility and restraint in foreign adventurism, both long-standing principles of republicans. But the GOP seemed to have eagerly abandoned them under GWB.

What does it mean to be a Republican now? What does the GOP stand for?
 

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What does it mean to be a Republican now? What does the GOP stand for?
We'll see what happens between now and 2010. Can the GOP find it's way? I doubt it. Maybe a stronger Libertarian party will result from disenfranchised Conservatives and moderate Democrats who see the drive towards socialism as something very anti-american.
 

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I saw (daily show) that he said that one reason he was moving is that he wouldn't get reelected as a R.

I'm still a registered as a R, but don't vote a straight ticket by any means, This last election was really hard for me to choose. I Don't really agree with everything that either party stands for (or claims to stand for), and don't think any Independent has a shot without a major swing in the populous views. There are just so many people that don't have a clue on both sides, and most politicians don't care what we think, just where the money's coming from, and their own ideas.
 

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The older I get the more disappointed I become with our major politcial parties. The is a large middle ground out there that all candidates claim to covet but in the end just seem to work for their parties and special interests. I come to feel that balance and thoughtfulness is the key to decision making. For instance, I would be OK with higher taxes if I could trust how the money was spent. I don't now. And please keep the government out of my private life. Keep church and state seperate. My marriage is strong, I don't want to pray in school, abortion is OK (there I said it). Gun ownership is Ok as well. It is Ok for us to differ on these things, support the middle ground on issues and we will all be stronger (some feel that this is weakness). The polarization of issues, people, parties reminds me fanaticism that in the end is destructive to our way of life.
 

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For instance, I would be OK with higher taxes if I could trust how the money was spent.
There is a key issue. You wouldn't mind higher taxes if the gov't spent it how you want it spent. The problem is that your desire for gov't spending is different from someone else's. With higher taxes comes more government power, insight and influence. All of these are controlled and bend to whomever is in the positions of authority. Those people have agendas.

Also, higher taxes pulles essential disposable income out of Americans' pockets. We, as the people, lose our power because we can no longer financially support our own causes. You give the gov't more money, they'll be in your private life even more.

We need conflict, contrast and contradiction to keep the people strong, and the government weak.
 

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To clarify, I believe taxes are inevitable and I am willing to pay my share even if it is necessary to strengthen our economy. My real concern is our learders inability to be direct and honest in their approach to problem solving. Real disclosure, honest spending, honest cost cutting. Even admitting they don't have all the answers. I also know that there are times that I will have to support projects that I may not agree with completely. Argument and debate is a good thing and a required element of problem solving. Resolutions require compromise. There are no quick and easy answers to any of these issues and at times various politcal leaders push for them without taking any responsibilty for the outcome of their decisions (but quick to blame the other side). To solve problems you have to first own the problem... Does anyone do this anymore?
 

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My parents and brother are hardcore republicans, meaning they vote along the lines blindly, regardless of the situation or what they feel is right or wrong. Therefore, I was raised as a republican. I grew up with guns and churches, in a small town of white people.

However, since going to college and moving from Western NY to SE Virginia, alot of my views on things have changed, but some have remained the same.

I still believe in the right to bear arms, and that hunting is a great family activity, as well as a legitimate way to control animal populations and provide food. However, I see no need for every person to own a fully automatic assault rifle. I also don't believe in conceal and carry permits.

I believe in choice, when it comes to abortion, with restrictions.

I believe church/temple/syn. and faith can play a big role in someones life.

I believe that if you make over $100,000/year, you can sure as sh-t afford to pay more taxes. Yes, I know you work hard for your money. So do I.

I believe in legal immigration.

I do not believe in affirmative action.

I believe any vehicle that gets less than 30mpg should either be outlawed, or be forced to pay more tax.

So, as you can see... I'm a little of both.

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I believe in choice, when it comes to abortion, with restrictions.

I believe church/temple/syn. and faith can play a big role in someones life.

I believe that if you make over $100,000/year, you can sure as sh-t afford to pay more taxes. Yes, I know you work hard for your money. So do I.

I believe in legal immigration.

I do not believe in affirmative action.

I believe any vehicle that gets less than 30mpg should either be outlawed, or be forced to pay more tax.
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It's dissapointing that he felt he had no other place to go.
The parties represent only the furthest right and left, officially, so it's sad to see a moderate like Spector have to join ranks with the far left.
There's no place for moderates in government.
 

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It's dissapointing that he felt he had no other place to go.
The parties represent only the furthest right and left, officially, so it's sad to see a moderate like Spector have to join ranks with the far left.
There's no place for moderates in government.
This is terribly sad, because most of the nation is moderate (in my humble opinion). Perhaps this adds to the problems with our current system.
 

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It seems like today so many politicians are going "light-repub" or "heavy-dem" when in fact it contradicts their own political ideology. John McCain for example was a "Light-Democrat" to help persuade voters. Do you think this is a form of "selling out?"
Anyone agree or disagree?
 

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It seems like today so many politicians are going "light-repub" or "heavy-dem" when in fact it contradicts their own political ideology. John McCain for example was a "Light-Democrat" to help persuade voters. Do you think this is a form of "selling out?"
Anyone agree or disagree?
I wouldn't really call it "selling out". I would call it politics though. :p
 

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I wouldn't really call it "selling out". I would call it politics though. :p
Yeah, but he was stressing that whole "maverick" deal.

But by just calling it politics, it's like more change is on the way. Evolution of politics are becoming corrupt by various PACS, lobbying, and of course the $$$$$$$$$$$. Politicians are losing touch with the people and focusing on close minded gaps. But all in all, it's politics.
 

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I believe any vehicle that gets less than 30mpg should either be outlawed, or be forced to pay more tax.

If you own a vehicle that gets less than 30 mpg, you already pay more tax. I don't know about VA, but here in Ohio, it's something like $0.44 cents per gallon. So the people driving more fuel-efficient vehicles pay less tax (by way of using less fuel for a given amount of miles) than those driving vehicles that are less efficient.
 
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