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Old 08-19-2013, 03:53 PM   #3131
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I'm in CA, so that's not gonna happen...


Though I am considering traveling at some point for the YCRS school. I'm still trying to get a one-on-one day out here with Ken Hill though. He's booked solid.
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:56 PM   #3132
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Even when body position is discussed, the ergonomic aspect is almost always left out. We are not all built the same and we certainly don't fit on an SV the same.

How many people know that Marc Marquez uses clipons with a 14 degree down angle to hang off the way he does? Go ahead and try to buy 14 degree clipons off the shelf. You can't, yet people still want to do what Marc does on their SVs.

Most of us aren't built like the average MotoGP rider. We're a lot bigger and that means we have more influence on the bike than those pint-sized dudes when we move our weight around. Since our movements are magnified more we actually would need to be smoother than a motoGP rider (if we want to hang off like they do) in order not to upset the chassis and crash. That's a tall order for something that is not practical or necessary.
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Old 08-19-2013, 05:24 PM   #3133
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I'm in CA, so that's not gonna happen...


Though I am considering traveling at some point for the YCRS school. I'm still trying to get a one-on-one day out here with Ken Hill though. He's booked solid.

Shameless plug: You could have one hell of a good time at T-hill on Sept. 2nd with Precision Trackdays. Just say'n...
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Old 08-19-2013, 05:26 PM   #3134
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Old 08-19-2013, 05:51 PM   #3135
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Not only that, but my BP changes depending on WHERE I am in the corner and what the bike is doing... entry, apex and exit are all a little different. You can never really get the WHOLE picture of how someone's BP is with a snapshot.
Wait! Whut?!

I know I'm fairly new to this. I've only been through 2 days on-track with you TTD types. But I do remember both the ARC program and TTD staff hammering home the concept of setting up early and maintaining position throughout a turn. (Penguin reinforces this too, btw.) I thought the secret was to keep things smooth and keep the suspension settled; let it soak up bumps. Changing BP from entry to apex to exit sounds almost as bad as chopping the throttle or grabbing a handful of front brake.

I guess I just wasn't paying attention.
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:03 PM   #3136
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Wait! Whut?!

I know I'm fairly new to this. I've only been through 2 days on-track with you TTD types. But I do remember both the ARC program and TTD staff hammering home the concept of setting up early and maintaining position throughout a turn. (Penguin reinforces this too, btw.) I thought the secret was to keep things smooth and keep the suspension settled; let it soak up bumps. Changing BP from entry to apex to exit sounds almost as bad as chopping the throttle or grabbing a handful of front brake.

I guess I just wasn't paying attention.
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:07 PM   #3137
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Lots of things are taught as principles early on with the general expectation you'll learn what works. Early in track-riding career, I was taught to stay away from rear brake except when off-roading, but I eventually chose to start using it to advance my riding; I'd still teach new riders not to use it.
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:17 PM   #3138
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Aw, Tovar, ya had me till that last line!

My philosophy says there's no such thing as bad instruction (well... within reason of course ) it just comes down to finding what instruction works best for YOU.



Colin, to answer your question, my BP only changes subtly. They're quiet changes that don't upset chassis stability but help with it. Your body is almost always in motion but the goal is to keep that motion to a minimum and avoid putting unnecessary inputs and feedback down into the bike.

On approach my focus is on braking and turn initiation (working the front end)
At apex my focus is on carving through the corner (working both tires in unison)
On exit my focus is on acceleration (working the rear)

Each phase of the corner has different requirements to get them right, often accompanied by a slightly different BP.
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:19 PM   #3139
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I guess I didn't think things through all the way; no surprise there.

I think perhaps what I'm doing is turning in too slow and maybe too early, thus setting me on a 'wide' line to the exit, so I have to hold max lean angle longer in order to navigate the turn. A faster guy turns in more quickly and later so he dips in to the max lean angle sooner but stays there for a shorter duration of time since he's carrying that much more speed and will likely be able to accelerate out at an earlier point in the turn as well.
Thus while we may have very similar max lean angles and both be touching a puck in the turn, his entry is what is allowing him to carry more speed.

Do I have the jist of this correct?

I have been slowly working on my braking points and while I have been successful at gradually pushing them back, sometimes I slip into old habits and get on the brakes much too soon.
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:24 PM   #3140
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