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Old 10-01-2019, 07:32 PM   #1
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Need Clarification

Hey Guys,

I just need some clarification. I tried searching all over but could not find any definitive answer.

I am planning on getting the gold valve emulators installed on my 2012 SV650S (Australian Model). I believe it's the same model as the USA 08/09 model essentially.

My question is, the Race Tech instructions say to drill extra holes in the stock damper rods. I will most likely be taking the bike to Australia's only Race Tech distributor (Shock Treatment) in Sydney.

Is it an error to drill the extra holes? I don't feel comfortable telling a suspension expert what to do if that is the case and he follows the Race Tech instructions.

Also, now that years have passed, are there any other alternatives to the emulators that are as cost effective/simple to have installed?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Old 10-02-2019, 01:04 AM   #2
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Re: Need Clarification

Also, my predicament is this - what do you think would be best for me to purchase?

The options are:

1) Gold valve emulators, new springs/oil and a fork service (approximately $800).

2) Traxxion Dynamics AR-25's (approximately $750)

3) Andreani Cartridge Kit (approximately $800)

I just need some direction on what would be the best upgrade. If it helps I currently have a ZX10R shock in the rear and only ride on the street/twisties.

Thanks!
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:08 AM   #3
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Re: Need Clarification

I tried searching all over but could not find any definitive answer.
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:13 AM   #4
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Re: Need Clarification

There's a FAQ:

https://www.svrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40605

It's long but has some screamingly funny sections.

The gist is you enlarge the existing holes. It seems if you drill additional holes above the existing ones, you screw up rebound damping.

I installed them in a Gen1 and they worked fine.

http://web.ncf.ca/ag136/SV650/forkEmulators.html

Unfortunately, the cheapie emulators are unsuitable for Gen2 (which is what I have now, a 2003).
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:22 AM   #5
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Re: Need Clarification

Wait, you have the option to install a proper cartridgekit for the same price as something that would just emulate cartridges?

I never checked into the full on cartridge options (went straight to GSX-R forks), so I can't tell you if Traxxion AR-25's or the Andreani's are better, but both outclass emulators.
Although the Traxxion kit aren't full on cartridges either, they seem to sit somewhere in between.
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Old 10-02-2019, 11:53 AM   #6
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Yeah, essentially the Andreani cartridges will cost about the same as gold valve emulators installed with new springs.

My problem is that no one seems to have the Andreani cartridges and im too worried to be one of the first guinea pigs.

Im really just looking for real world experiences from others with my bike before I fork out a lot of money.

Cheers
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:39 PM   #7
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With the Racetech emulators, you will need to open up the existing holes in the lowers. This will allow oil to flow from the inside and outside of the uppers. Otherwise, you can "pack up" the suspension.

Also, if you have the space, this is a good job to do yourself. Good opportunity to get to know your bike and save a lot of money.
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:25 AM   #8
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Re: Need Clarification

... or you could just buy some cartridges and have them install those? the performance gain of cartridges is miles better IMO!

I played around with Emulator front forks on my SV for a long time, I should have gone with the cartridges in the first place is my 20/20 hindsight...

but, if you must install them Emulators... I found that leaving the stock holes as is at the bottom of the stock damping rods worked best... and the upper small 1/8" hole needs to be brazed shut. I believe the RaceTech instructions and others recommend enlarging the lower holes, ... again, I found leaving them stock was better.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:14 AM   #9
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Yeah, essentially the Andreani cartridges will cost about the same as gold valve emulators installed with new springs.
uhm you'd have to pay someone to install those too.

goldvalves + springs is like $300. the rest is labor (and labor you can do yourself). AKwhatevers are like $800 just for the parts. and then someone would still need to install them.
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Re: Need Clarification

there's also this... https://traxxion.com/product/ar-25-a...per-kit-s41-1/
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