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Old 01-20-2017, 12:43 PM   #1
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President trump

Wait! That really happened? It wasn't just something brought on by my election night drinking??





Love him.

HATE Him.

Who else has this feeling?

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Old 01-20-2017, 12:58 PM   #2
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Don't love him, don't hate him. IMO was simply the better option.
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Old 01-20-2017, 01:24 PM   #4
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Re: President trump

I shared this today, because I'm both skeptical of the incoming administration and embarrassed by many people whose views I generally share:

To my Progressive Colleagues:
Stop the "Not My President" ****. Donald Trump is President of the United States (or will be momentarily.) Yes, he's an apparently undisciplined ongoing Twitter-tantrum, but he won. And the overwhelming majority of people who voted for him did so for good reasons, not because they are racist-neo alt-righters, but because they believed that the status quo had failed them. If the Usual Suspects (in both parties) of the political ecosystem had been doing a better job, the campaign of somebody like Trump would have remained a joke until the joke got too old. But he won. Let us hope that with their paw-prints all over the government, the Republicans will realize they now have to actually solve the problems they've been blocking solutions for over the past six years. Let's hope that the people entrusted with making our government work are competent enough and conscientious enough to do the best they can for America. Help them when you can. Point out their errors when you must. Remember that we are all in this enterprise of America together, even if we are sometimes uncomfortable with the "together" part.
To my Conservative Friends:
You won. You've had your two months of lording it over us "losers." We have endured your "snowflake" derision. But as of today, we go back to being Americans, each with the same stake in moving our society forward toward more peace, prosperity, and justice. The election is over and you can stop hating the Actual Majority of people who thought Trump wasn't the better choice. A Very Large minority of you, in key states, have chosen to put an ******* and bull**** artist into the highest office in the land. And hey! Some of my closest friends are either *******s or bull**** artists, so I actually understand his cocky appeal. I just never pictured any of them in the Oval Office. Hold his feet to the fires he lit. Replace Obamacare with something better that doesn't deprive the least of us of the dignity of healthcare. Demand he explain how he can bring back American manufacturing jobs without starting trade wars with every other developed economy. Make sure his tax and economic development programs actually help Americans in general prosper, and are not just get-richer-quicker schemes for the already wealthy. Don't be deluded into thinking your countrymen are your enemies. We're not.

Curiously, Facebook didn't edit "Sh1t," bullsh1t artist" or "assh*le."
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I shared this today, because I'm both skeptical of the incoming administration and embarrassed by many people whose views I generally share:

To my Progressive Colleagues:
Stop the "Not My President" ****. Donald Trump is President of the United States (or will be momentarily.) Yes, he's an apparently undisciplined ongoing Twitter-tantrum, but he won. And the overwhelming majority of people who voted for him did so for good reasons, not because they are racist-neo alt-righters, but because they believed that the status quo had failed them. If the Usual Suspects (in both parties) of the political ecosystem had been doing a better job, the campaign of somebody like Trump would have remained a joke until the joke got too old. But he won. Let us hope that with their paw-prints all over the government, the Republicans will realize they now have to actually solve the problems they've been blocking solutions for over the past six years. Let's hope that the people entrusted with making our government work are competent enough and conscientious enough to do the best they can for America. Help them when you can. Point out their errors when you must. Remember that we are all in this enterprise of America together, even if we are sometimes uncomfortable with the "together" part.
To my Conservative Friends:
You won. You've had your two months of lording it over us "losers." We have endured your "snowflake" derision. But as of today, we go back to being Americans, each with the same stake in moving our society forward toward more peace, prosperity, and justice. The election is over and you can stop hating the Actual Majority of people who thought Trump wasn't the better choice. A Very Large minority of you, in key states, have chosen to put an ******* and bull**** artist into the highest office in the land. And hey! Some of my closest friends are either *******s or bull**** artists, so I actually understand his cocky appeal. I just never pictured any of them in the Oval Office. Hold his feet to the fires he lit. Replace Obamacare with something better that doesn't deprive the least of us of the dignity of healthcare. Demand he explain how he can bring back American manufacturing jobs without starting trade wars with every other developed economy. Make sure his tax and economic development programs actually help Americans in general prosper, and are not just get-richer-quicker schemes for the already wealthy. Don't be deluded into thinking your countrymen are your enemies. We're not.

Curiously, Facebook didn't edit "Sh1t," bullsh1t artist" or "assh*le."
First, well said.


I would say the last part goes both ways.

The other side isn't your enemy nor is wrong. They just want different things. We need to stop our "May way only" intolerant view on things and start working as a team for the betterment of all. Yes, I believe we will need to push President Trump to this. The harder battle might be getting ourselves to accept this.
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Old 01-20-2017, 02:30 PM   #6
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First, well said.
I would say the last part goes both ways.
The other side isn't your enemy nor is wrong. They just want different things.
I have thought for a long time that the things which divide us politically are often related to what we fear. "Fairness" Liberals fear that people with little opportunity and low incomes will unfairly be excluded from the things which support human dignity. Conservatives fear that people who, through talent and effort achieve financial success, will be "unfairly" over-taxed to support the dead-weight among our citizenry. Guns: People (often city-dwellers) who see guns as tools of violence fear predation. Gun owners (often rural and having grown up in gun-owning families) fear that their rights will be taken away when they've done nothing wrong. All of those points-of-view are subjectively reasonable, even if somewhat irreconcilable. You can probably use this rubric to diagram out almost every policy debate.
Social media have made it very easy to express differences of opinion in the cruellest and least respectful terms. And some folks must be baking good money doing this, because there's an unending supply of derisive memes and "new" of questionable veracity. As long as political debate is more satisfying as a blood-sport online than it is in thoughtful discussion, we're gonna remain screwed.
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I have thought for a long time that the things which divide us politically are often related to what we fear. "Fairness" Liberals fear that people with little opportunity and low incomes will unfairly be excluded from the things which support human dignity. Conservatives fear that people who, through talent and effort achieve financial success, will be "unfairly" over-taxed to support the dead-weight among our citizenry. Guns: People (often city-dwellers) who see guns as tools of violence fear predation. Gun owners (often rural and having grown up in gun-owning families) fear that their rights will be taken away when they've done nothing wrong. All of those points-of-view are subjectively reasonable, even if somewhat irreconcilable. You can probably use this rubric to diagram out almost every policy debate.
Social media have made it very easy to express differences of opinion in the cruellest and least respectful terms. And some folks must be baking good money doing this, because there's an unending supply of derisive memes and "new" of questionable veracity. As long as political debate is more satisfying as a blood-sport online than it is in thoughtful discussion, we're gonna remain screwed.
Social Media and the internet as also made it easier to hide with in like minded groups. Which I feel also plays its part because we are no longer force to confront views of the other side. This makes it harder for us to see that fear of the others and also be willing to address it.
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Social Media and the internet as also made it easier to hide with in like minded groups. Which I feel also plays its part because we are no longer force to confront views of the other side. This makes it harder for us to see that fear of the others and also be willing to address it.
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Re: President trump

Didn't want people to go all "Should We Have Guns?" on this.

It's just President TRUMP?

How did THAT happen? (really, how did it??)

If you think you know, please write down the path he took to get there, so others can follow it......
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