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Old 07-26-2011, 01:13 AM   #31
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Re: Norway attacks: at least 92 killed in Oslo and Utøya island

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I hate to say it, but you sound exactly like the right wing nuts I know. The MSM can't be trusted, it's all a conspiracy, the only real source of the truth is the (insert wacko fringe media outlet), asking a silly leading question that really doesn't mean anything. You're smarter than this...
Rich, I dont appreciate that condescending dismissal from you. Rather than attack my imagined "fringe media sources" or my thoughts as "conspiracy theories" why don't you instead explain to me how my argument is factually or intellectually wrong?

Nowadays, the fastest way to end any discussion is to dismiss an idea (or even an undisputed fact) as a conspiracy theory. The person who puts forth that idea is therefore, by implication, a conspiracy nut. That's settled then. End of discussion. Turn off the thinking cap.

Well the time for that BS tactic is over ..

The facts are out there .. I don't need or trust the main stream media to put them in order for me. Do you?
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:19 AM   #32
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Re: Norway attacks: at least 92 killed in Oslo and Utøya island

I'm usually the first one to condemn the mass media. But if you go over to CNN.com, you will notice quite a large supply of discussion on this subject. Gotta give credit where credit is due. They are talking about it.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:32 AM   #33
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I'm usually the first one to condemn the mass media. But if you go over to CNN.com, you will notice quite a large supply of discussion on this subject. Gotta give credit where credit is due. They are talking about it.
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Old 07-26-2011, 06:54 AM   #35
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Army, seriously?

Where within that CNN's giant news site (or anywhere in the US MSM) is there an article that discusses the Labor Party and its position regarding the up-coming UN vote for Palestinian statehood or the rally for Norwegian Boycott Divestment and Sanction of Israel?

If it is buried in there somewhere I couldn't find it.

I see lots of articles suggesting the the kids at the Labor Youth camp were promoting "multiculturalism"

I don't see any mention that the way they were promoting it was by organizing a boycott of Israel for its occupation and brutal treatment of Palestinians.




Two days before the Utoya Island massacre, AUF’s (Labour Party’s youth movement) leader Eskil Pedersen gave an interview to the Dagbladet, Norway’s second largest tabloid newspaper, in which he unveiled what he thinks of Israel. Pederson went on to say, “The peace process goes nowhere, and though the whole world expect Israel to comply, they do not. We in Labour Youth will have a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.”


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Old 07-26-2011, 07:51 AM   #36
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If you read his manifesto, it is apparent that this was not a crazed lunatic at all. This man was highly educated, well spoken and well financed.

The only fragment of an answer that we have heard from the American press is that he wanted to spark an anti-Muslim crusade in Europe ..

So, how would attacking a youth labor camp for Norwegian teenagers accomplish that end? (and why is no one in the MSM asking that obvious question?)

Ummm .. because he hated their freedom?

I think not ...
I don't give a sh!t what his manifesto says or how highly educated, well spoken or financed he was. If you take a bunch of guns and mow down a bunch of innocent people and blow up a bunch of other innocent people.....your fawking crazy. I don't care if those people have different political views then the a$$hole that killed them all, they didn't deserve to die. If you think that him killing a bunch of people is OK then you are just an idiot. What if it were your family or your friends that got killed to prove some guys agenda.

What this guy did is no different then any other act of terrorism, it doesn't matter what his point in his manifesto was...he killed people for the wrong reason.
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Old 07-26-2011, 08:14 AM   #37
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I don't give a sh!t what his manifesto says or how highly educated, well spoken or financed he was. If you take a bunch of guns and mow down a bunch of innocent people and blow up a bunch of other innocent people.....your fawking crazy. I don't care if those people have different political views then the a$$hole that killed them all, they didn't deserve to die. If you think that him killing a bunch of people is OK then you are just an idiot. What if it were your family or your friends that got killed to prove some guys agenda.

What this guy did is no different then any other act of terrorism, it doesn't matter what his point in his manifesto was...he killed people for the wrong reason.
Ahhh .. the internet. Where misunderstanding (usually from not bothering to read the whole thread or just being stupid) is the norm. Why do I waste my time?
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Re: Norway attacks: at least 92 killed in Oslo and Utøya island

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I don't give a sh!t what his manifesto says or how highly educated, well spoken or financed he was. If you take a bunch of guns and mow down a bunch of innocent people and blow up a bunch of other innocent people.....your fawking crazy. I don't care if those people have different political views then the a$$hole that killed them all, they didn't deserve to die. If you think that him killing a bunch of people is OK then you are just an idiot. What if it were your family or your friends that got killed to prove some guys agenda.

What this guy did is no different then any other act of terrorism, it doesn't matter what his point in his manifesto was...he killed people for the wrong reason.
I've reread RD350's post several times now and I don't see any hint that he condoned the killing of those people.

You missed the point of his post entirely. He was simply stating that this guy had an agenda, but no one seems to be asking how killing those people at the youth camp furthers that agenda
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Re: Norway attacks: at least 92 killed in Oslo and Utøya island

Yeah, drink, you missed his point.

RD--NPR has been discussing this. I only listen to the radio broadcasts, so I cannot provide links. I don't "consume" any of the other mass media bilge tanks.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:12 AM   #40
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Re: Norway attacks: at least 92 killed in Oslo and Utøya island

RD350: I'm not sure I see the point of criticizing news organizations for failing to disseminate Brevik's rationale for his actions. The immediate "news" value was the unexpected violence and killing, not that somebody has a political point of view. Leaving aside the conventional critiques of journalism (i.e. sensationalism sells American news outlets especially have to factor in the fact that most Americans have no idea where or what Norway might be, what Norwegian political issues are, who's in government now and who is the opposition, and whether Norway is a mono- or multicultural society.

It wouldn't matter to me what the subjective justifications might be for these kinds of acts of disgusting and disrespectful violence. No matter who the self-styled "freedon-fighter" or "patriot" might be, the ends never justify killing innocent people for some political point.
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