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Old 05-14-2019, 12:38 AM   #11
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oil filters are cheap so why not?
A few dollars can go a long way. I change my bike and car/truck filters with every oil change. My truck turned 225k, no engine issues.

My track bike gets oil changed every 2-3 track weekends. Very few miles, however I’m sure they’re rough on the engine (temps, RPMs, etc.).
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:57 AM   #12
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Re: Changing oil filter every 3k?

Car engines don’t have a wet clutch. Also don’t regularly see double the rpm. As somebody said, maybe they know a thing or two about their engines��-this is a normal response from the “leave it stock, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” people. That is fine advice for them. I’m not that guy. My sv650s is also modified, so for less than $10, I’m gonna change it. Super easy, and may actually help. Also, we have a lot more oil because ours lubricates engine, and transmission. Lots of tiny metal particles in there. Also, I suspect higher change intervals due to molecular shearing that occurs ina gear box compared to just an engine. Oil filters on automobiles with 10000 mile oil changes often recommend a filter change in the middle. Plus, having worked in that industry, I was told by several filter manufacturers that high change intervals cause filters to bypass before the oil change. This means unfiltered oil circulating for sometimes thousands of miles. I guess if you don’t want to change it, then you don’t need to. It’s your bike. Seems like super cheap preventative maintenance to me. I know what I’ve seen, and I would never not change a filter with new oil!

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Just a hypothesis, but tell me if this makes sense... Plenty of car filters out there that are just as small as ours. They currently spec 6k-10k miles between oil/filter changes, so the media itself should be good for that long if the engine is in good shape
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:13 PM   #13
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Re: Changing oil filter every 3k?

There are a few threads that basically say that your choices of oil filter that fit the SV range from bad to not so bad. There aren't really any good filters out there. That's another reason to spend a few more dollars and just go ahead and change it.

And really, how many miles do you plan to ride? Are you going to be doing 5+ oil changes per year, or is it really more like 1 or 2? I mean, I just crossed 60k on my SV, and that's only 20 oil changes over 14 years the bike has existed. At my highest, I think I only did 4 oil changes in a year.

Additionally, I have worked on German cars for 12 years now. Most of the service intervals are 10-15,000 miles, but I would never recommend that anyone go that far between oil changes for a variety of reasons. One of the most compelling reasons is the condition of the filters at 7-8k+. It is not uncommon that the filter element crumbles in my hand when I try to remove it. I don't really believe that the manufacturers really care about their engines' ultimate longevity. Rather, they care that it makes it out of warranty without trouble and that they only have to offer 3 or 4 free oil changes when complimentary service is offered.
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:25 PM   #14
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Car engines donít have a wet clutch. Also donít regularly see double the rpm. As somebody said, maybe they know a thing or two about their engines
You are misconstruing what I wrote, especially since it's already been established that the factory manual states to change the filter every 3rd oil change, I can scan the page if you need to see it. I'm simply playing devil's advocate in attempting to understand why the guys that designed the engine say it's ok to let it slide a few times.
I'm also pretty sure that my last sentence stated that filters are cheap, so might as well... kinda beating a dead horse at this point, more of an academic discussion now rather than a compelling one.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:10 PM   #15
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Re: Changing oil filter every 3k?

Hi, according to the Owner's manual, Oil filter should be changed every 36 months or 11000 mile whichever comes first. In my own opinion, this is just a guidance from the maker. However, as an owner , it is your prerogative whether you will follow it or not. From my view, every year is fine especially if you are using it for normal commuting (Home-Office-Home) I do 50 KM a day.
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:10 PM   #16
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Re: Changing oil filter every 3k?

Oil threads are like religious debates. There is not enough evidence to prove one way or the other so endless debate ensues.

Believer, (Pascal's wager): Change oil and filter every 3k miles. It can't hurt and doesn't cost much.

Agnostic: I don't know, I just follow what the manual says.

Athiest: Screw what the Good Book says, run sythetic for for 60k miles like in the NY City Taxi Oil Change Study and see what happens.
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Athiest: Screw what the Good Book says, run sythetic for for 60k miles like in the NY City Taxi Oil Change Study and see what happens.
In the early 2000s, a guy on one of my forums had a doggy old Japanese import NC21 that he'd bought from a salvage yard as an uneconomic repair (plastics & cosmetic damage). However it still ran, handled and stopped well so he used it as an everyday workhorse / winter hack machine.

He decided to run an experiment. The bike had had an oil change and filter after he got it, and after that he didn't change the oil or filter. He did keep an eye on the level, but never changed it. Last I heard, the bike had done over 20,000 miles and was still running fine and sounding good, according to his reports. No idea of the state of the internals of course.
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Re: Changing oil filter every 3k?

Opinions about oil (whether informed or ignorant) are like assh*les: everybody has one. I change my filter when I change my oil, which works out to around every 3,000 miles. Oil filters are cheap. You can buy highly engineered and expensive filters, just as you can buy highly engineered and expensive oils. But for the riding I do (no track days or dragstrips) I feel my regimen is sufficient.
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Re: Changing oil filter every 3k?

... I've been kinda cheap lately and have pushed my oil filter changes to every 2 years (or so). Not sure how many miles I'm riding each year but it's around 5K (I'd guess). I do drain and refill the oil any time I notice it getting really dark in the sight window.... If you think about it the oil filter element is really large and will work for a long long time. What I have noticed is that the rubber seal gets hard and needs changing (with a new filter) periodically.
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There are a few threads that basically say that your choices of oil filter that fit the SV range from bad to not so bad. There aren't really any good filters out there. That's another reason to spend a few more dollars and just go ahead and change it.

And really, how many miles do you plan to ride? Are you going to be doing 5+ oil changes per year, or is it really more like 1 or 2? I mean, I just crossed 60k on my SV, and that's only 20 oil changes over 14 years the bike has existed. At my highest, I think I only did 4 oil changes in a year.

Additionally, I have worked on German cars for 12 years now. Most of the service intervals are 10-15,000 miles, but I would never recommend that anyone go that far between oil changes for a variety of reasons. One of the most compelling reasons is the condition of the filters at 7-8k+. It is not uncommon that the filter element crumbles in my hand when I try to remove it. I don't really believe that the manufacturers really care about their engines' ultimate longevity. Rather, they care that it makes it out of warranty without trouble and that they only have to offer 3 or 4 free oil changes when complimentary service is offered.
if you use an adapter it's possible to run a good filter https://calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Suzukiprod.html
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